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Title: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: apollo on May 25, 2021, 08:05:01 AM
In the message of La Salette, an important line was deleted. This line was deleted:
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"There will be two worm-ridden popes".  
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"popes" not "men who claim to be pope".
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The video by Fr Gregory Hesse is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPNpxv0Fnv0
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPNpxv0Fnv0)
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So, The Resistance, as long as it is NOT sedevacantist, is OK.
And when the SSPX says,
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The Resistance is "practical sedevacantism", they are WRONG.  
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Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Yeti on May 25, 2021, 08:16:40 AM
Is this the "message of La Salette" that is on the Index of Forbidden Books? Because that long strange text that Melanie published, claiming it is the message Our Lady gave her, is on the Index. Few people seem to know this.
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As far as I know, none of Melanie's claimed visions and messages from heaven enjoy any approval from the Church.
Title: Re: Worm-Ridden Popes
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 01, 2025, 10:20:04 AM
Is this the "message of La Salette" that is on the Index of Forbidden Books? Because that long strange text that Melanie published, claiming it is the message Our Lady gave her, is on the Index. Few people seem to know this.
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As far as I know, none of Melanie's claimed visions and messages from heaven enjoy any approval from the Church.


Yeah, so I went down a La Salette rabbit hole in writing this week's blog post. I found some original sources, and I was able to provide the original French of Melanie when she mentions the worm-ridden popes comment.  It was a rabbit hole that distracted me for hours. But the good thing that came out of it, I found an additional prophecy to include at the end of the article.


https://theweltgeist.substack.com/publish/posts/detail/169787594?referrer=%2Fpublish%2Fposts%2Fpublished (https://theweltgeist.substack.com/publish/posts/detail/169787594?referrer=%2Fpublish%2Fposts%2Fpublished)
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Yeti on August 02, 2025, 09:45:38 AM
As far as I know, none of Melanie's claimed visions and messages from heaven enjoy any approval from the Church.
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I forget what I meant by this, but the apparition of Our Lady at La Salette was approved for veneration by the Church, and the message about people needing to observe the Sunday rest and stop blaspheming was approved.

Of course her text of the secret that she published was condemned, and her other apparitions that she claims to have had in her life are not approved by the Church either, as far as I am aware.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: BaldwinIV on August 02, 2025, 05:48:22 PM


Yeah, so I went down a La Salette rabbit hole in writing this week's blog post. I found some original sources, and I was able to provide the original French of Melanie when she mentions the worm-ridden popes comment.  It was a rabbit hole that distracted me for hours. But the good thing that came out of it, I found an additional prophecy to include at the end of the article.


https://theweltgeist.substack.com/publish/posts/detail/169787594 (https://theweltgeist.substack.com/publish/posts/detail/169787594?referrer=%2Fpublish%2Fposts%2Fpublished)
The Substack page is set to private. Could you post it on a public page? Thanks. I personally haven't seen the "Sea of Peter will become the Antichrist" bit the last time I looked for the original La Salette text. I'm also not sure which version / text was approved of the Vatican.

That being said, the "two worm-ridden popes" can mean any pair of popes. It could mean Paul VI and JPII, JPII and Benedict, Benedict and Francis, etc. So, that wouldn't "disprove" sedevacantism per se. Also, why just two? We've had more than two bad popes by now, one worse than the other.

I am personally anti-sedevacantist, but I obviously cannot overlook the purely canonical problems, which have nothing to do with judging heresy (Viganós arguments):

- Benedict did not resign properly and after "resigning" still dressed in white, gave the apostolic blessing, etc. (obviously this was intentional from a Modernist perspective, in order to split the munus and magisterium and pave the way for a primus-inter-pares papacy)
- Leo was voted in by too many cardinals
- 1917 Canon law requiring the pope to be at least a valid priest, yet the NO bishop rites are likely invalid, which means that Francis and Leo would not have been valid priests and therefore canonically not admissable to the papacy

So even with La Salette, it doesn't resolve the above - purely canonical - doubts.

I think the smartest solution is naming the pope "sub conditione", as it's valid either way. Some Resistance priests do this.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Horatius on August 02, 2025, 05:54:38 PM
The ultimate redpill is realising that sedevacantism is a grift. Do the sedevacantist clergy offer any solutions or any different services than the typical R&R clergy? Nope. But they will roll into town and siphon faithful regardless. Sounds like a cash grab to me.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Incredulous on August 02, 2025, 09:48:26 PM

Rather, the neoSSPX, the fake resistance and all their 62’ missal minions are the compromised status quo.

And taking a $100 million bribe in 2010, from a Dresden Marrano to rebrand your religious order… is big time grifting 😊

Demonizing you’re fellow Catholics who don’t agree with your Liturgical and Sacramental compromises to newChurch’s ecclesiastical Freemasons… 
is wholesale calumny.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Giovanni Berto on August 02, 2025, 10:56:30 PM
Rather, the neoSSPX, the fake resistance and all their 62’ missal minions are the compromised status quo.

And taking a $100 million bribe in 2010, from a Dresden Marrano to rebrand your religious order… is big time grifting 😊

Demonizing you’re fellow Catholics who don’t agree with your Liturgical and Sacramental compromises to newChurch’s ecclesiastical Freemasons…
is wholesale calumny.

You mean they made the deal with Benedict XVI because of the donation? I had heard about some strange inheritance that was donated to them from a (supposedly) Jєωιѕн family, but I had never made the connection. Can you expand on this? Is there more information about it?
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: OABrownson1876 on August 02, 2025, 10:57:49 PM
We have had more than two "Worm-ridden" popes.  Unless, of course, you are a partial Sede and maintain that John XXIII and Paul VI were popes and all the rest were non-popes.  I have never understood why it must be an either/or scenario.  
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 03, 2025, 12:52:12 AM
The Substack page is set to private. Could you post it on a public page? Thanks. I personally haven't seen the "Sea of Peter will become the Antichrist" bit the last time I looked for the original La Salette text. I'm also not sure which version / text was approved of the Vatican.

That being said, the "two worm-ridden popes" can mean any pair of popes. It could mean Paul VI and JPII, JPII and Benedict, Benedict and Francis, etc. So, that wouldn't "disprove" sedevacantism per se. Also, why just two? We've had more than two bad popes by now, one worse than the other.

I am personally anti-sedevacantist, but I obviously cannot overlook the purely canonical problems, which have nothing to do with judging heresy (Viganós arguments):

- Benedict did not resign properly and after "resigning" still dressed in white, gave the apostolic blessing, etc. (obviously this was intentional from a Modernist perspective, in order to split the munus and magisterium and pave the way for a primus-inter-pares papacy)
- Leo was voted in by too many cardinals
- 1917 Canon law requiring the pope to be at least a valid priest, yet the NO bishop rites are likely invalid, which means that Francis and Leo would not have been valid priests and therefore canonically not admissable to the papacy

So even with La Salette, it doesn't resolve the above - purely canonical - doubts.

I think the smartest solution is naming the pope "sub conditione", as it's valid either way. Some Resistance priests do this.
I apologize, Baldwin IV.  Please try this link and let me know if it works:


https://theweltgeist.substack.com/p/bergoglio-and-prevost-two-worm-ridden (https://theweltgeist.substack.com/p/bergoglio-and-prevost-two-worm-ridden)



Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: BaldwinIV on August 03, 2025, 06:07:16 AM

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By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed [c. 2012 A.D.] when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one [the usurper antipope] who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.

- Blessed Tomasuccio de Foligno, Profezie, 14th Century

Hm, I just thought of an alternative theory: Benedict was still pope until 2018. Francis + Leo are then anti-popes, so that would mean the see is vacant since 2018. 2018 + 12 years = 2030, which lines up with the "Agenda 2030" by the UN. The "2012" theory doesn't quite line up with "the mantle of legitimate power shall emerge", as this would mean that Francis is the "mantle of legitimate power". Anyway.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Mark 79 on August 03, 2025, 10:55:08 AM
You mean they made the deal with Benedict XVI because of the donation? I had heard about some strange inheritance that was donated to them from a (supposedly) Jєωιѕн family, but I had never made the connection. Can you expand on this? Is there more information about it?

The Rothschild-Gutmann Money Behind the SSPX Kosher Imperative

 (https://archive.is/o/AzaVr/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-rothschild-gutmann-money-behind.html)the original site was nuked by the Jews, but the article is archived here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131020030428/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-rothschild-gutmann-money-behind.html
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Incredulous on August 03, 2025, 11:35:00 AM

A beautiful save! :cowboy:
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Mark 79 on August 03, 2025, 12:24:41 PM
Well… more saves:

The File on Maximilian Krah
https://web.archive.org/web/20220527040922/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-file-on-maximilian-krah.html
Since this blog was nuked by the Jews, each embedded link must be searched individually on https://archive.ph/ or https://archive.org/

including:

SSPX Bishop Fellay's Lawyer/Business Partner is Fundraiser for Racial Supremacist State
https://web.archive.org/web/20220516105502/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/11/bishop-fellays-lawyerbusiness-partner.html

SSPX Superior Bp. Fellay's Lawyer/Business Partner's Visit to Israeli Military Special Forces Base Docuмented
https://web.archive.org/web/20220620023154/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/06/sspx-superior-bp-fellays-lawyerbusiness.html

Maximilian Krah's Handler, Oren Heiman Co-Chairs Zionist Organization with Former Head of Mossad, Meir Dagan
https://web.archive.org/web/20220620023205/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/06/maximilian-krahs-handler-oren-heiman-co.html

The SSPX Money Manager and "The Power of 72"
https://web.archive.org/web/20220704053206/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-sspx-money-manager-and-holy-power.html

SSPX Superior Bishop Fellay's Zionist Business Partner Kicks Günter Grass' Corpse
https://web.archive.org/web/20220816072015/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/05/sspx-superior-bishop-fellays-zionist.html

Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: IndultCat on August 03, 2025, 03:39:40 PM
Regardless of any approved or unapproved apparitions, Sedevacantism is NOT WRONG...IF AND ONLY IF one TOTALLY adheres to Catholic Dogma, particularly on the papal claims.

Sedevacantism is the best and most honest explanation when one discovers one set of popes directly contradicting other popes on issues of faith and/or morals.

Any other explanation either makes a mockery of True Catholicism or destroys it altogether. 
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: SkyRoam on August 03, 2025, 05:44:27 PM
I apologize, Baldwin IV.  Please try this link and let me know if it works:


https://theweltgeist.substack.com/p/bergoglio-and-prevost-two-worm-ridden (https://theweltgeist.substack.com/p/bergoglio-and-prevost-two-worm-ridden)
Glad you are back. Very much enjoyed and found engaging your Forge & Anvil blog.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Giovanni Berto on August 03, 2025, 07:56:48 PM
The Rothschild-Gutmann Money Behind the SSPX Kosher Imperative

 (https://archive.is/o/AzaVr/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-rothschild-gutmann-money-behind.html)the original site was nuked by the Jews, but the article is archived here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20131020030428/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-rothschild-gutmann-money-behind.html

Thank you! 
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Mark 79 on August 03, 2025, 08:04:15 PM
You are always welcome.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Incredulous on August 04, 2025, 10:09:23 AM

A beautiful save! :cowboy:


Recall the highlights of this SSPX fiasco were very entertaining and revealing of Menzingen’s arrogance:

1.  2010, First news of “funny business” breaks when a trad doing an internet search on SSPX legal entities, finds multiple shell corporations being set-up in Europe.

2. EU law requires business incorporation to be publicly disclosed. On the SSPX incorporation docs, 
An unknown character (Maximillian Krah) is listed as a signatory.

3. The SSPX is caught like a deer in car headlights.  They can say nothing, but eventually try to act as if Krah is just a “Catholic” attorney helping their cause.
 Krah’s Jєωιѕн baggage is so conspicuous that the SSPX response becomes a laughing stock.

4. Many months later, the  SSPX stages a Krah interview with one of their political PR men, Mr. Siscoe.
Siscoe purports to have providentially met Krah in an elevator while attending an SSPX Angelus conference.
It was Published in the Remnant.  Krah played the racial “Jєωιѕн victim” card, and inadvertently released more revealing information about his SSPX legal relationship.

5. This cover-up came to a screeching halt, when in 2011, Krah came onto Cathinfo trying to defend himself.  
He revealed more information about his agency relationship with the Jaidhoff family who contributed 80million Euros to the SSPX.   In the same set of posts, another CI member revealed the Jaidhoff family were historically linked to the Rothschilds.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Giovanni Berto on August 04, 2025, 01:21:01 PM

Recall the highlights of this SSPX fiasco were very entertaining and revealing of Menzingen’s arrogance:

1.  2010, First news of “funny business” breaks when a trad doing an internet search on SSPX legal entities, finds multiple shell corporations being set-up in Europe.

2. EU law requires business incorporation to be publicly disclosed. On the SSPX incorporation docs,
An unknown character (Maximillian Krah) is listed as a signatory.

3. The SSPX is caught like a deer in car headlights.  They can say nothing, but eventually try to act as if Krah is just a “Catholic” attorney helping their cause.
 Krah’s Jєωιѕн baggage is so conspicuous that the SSPX response becomes a laughing stock.

4. Many months later, the  SSPX stages a Krah interview with one of their political PR men, Mr. Siscoe.
Siscoe purports to have providentially met Krah in an elevator while attending an SSPX Angelus conference.
It was Published in the Remnant.  Krah played the racial “Jєωιѕн victim” card, and inadvertently released more revealing information about his SSPX legal relationship.

5. This cover-up came to a screeching halt, when in 2011, Krah came onto Cathinfo trying to defend himself. 
He revealed more information about his agency relationship with the Jaidhoff family who contributed 80million Euros to the SSPX.  In the same set of posts, another CI member revealed the Jaidhoff family were historically linked to the Rothschilds.

This is before my time. I did not know this. I knew about Krah, but not about what had happened before he became news.

So, basically, the SSPX was bought by the Jews, and Krah was the broker. I bet he was rewarded with a nice commission. They love the dollars and euros $$$.
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Incredulous on August 08, 2025, 09:50:56 PM
This is before my time. I did not know this. I knew about Krah, but not about what had happened before he became news.

So, basically, the SSPX was bought by the Jews, and Krah was the broker. I bet he was rewarded with a nice commission. They love the dollars and euros $$$.

If you study Krah’s Wiki bio, his political activities make him come off looking like a Mossad operative.

Krah Wiki bio (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Krah)
Title: Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
Post by: Giovanni Berto on August 09, 2025, 12:34:20 AM
If you study Krah’s Wiki bio, his political activities make him come off looking like a Mossad operative.

Krah Wiki bio (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Krah)

Very strange "carreer".

Plus, "He is a practising Catholic, is widowed and has eight children by three women."

Really? So he at 48-years-old has already buried three wives?

There is not a single line on that profile that makes this man look like a regular Traditionalist.