Author Topic: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette (Read 249547 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #90 on:** December 17, 2025, 05:50:51 PM »

Quote from: Angelus on December 17, 2025, 04:44:12 PM

7 Kings are the 7 Popes, starting with Pius XI. The 10 horns are the Cardinals that take over the Church during the period of the Fourth and last beast of Daniel, starting with Bergoglio and his gang of Cardinal advisers.

It all started with Pius XI because he refused to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart. And the Lateran Treaty was the final collapse of the temporal power, making the Holy See unable to sustain itself without reliance on the secular powers controlled by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

You're right ... it was 7 Kings, with 10 horns and/or crowns. There was someone here posting about that Francis of Palau, and I think he likened the horns/crowns to 10 temporal leaders or something, not Cardinals. It's so hard to say, that it's little more than guess work.

What I do find striking, though, and hard to ignore is the likenss of the Whore of Babylon to the Conciliar Church, and that dovetails also with Francis of Palau's take on it.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #91 on:** December 18, 2025, 03:42:04 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on December 16, 2025, 08:51:56 PM

BTW, Struthio's basic blunder on that thread, and I'm not sure if anyone called him out the entire time ... was, yeah, he was focused on the Latin ... but then mistranslated the Latin constantly, assuming that it was correct. saeculum does NOT mean "the world", but rather an epoch of time, an age, and era, so that "end of time" is a perfectly legitimate translation, but it could also mean the end of an epoch, as in one of the ages of the Church. Yet by context, if at the consummation (completion or filling out or perfection) of this age, Christ returns, then it's more than just the end of any epoch, but in fact the final epoch or the larger epoch that includes all of human history (my personal favorite), so IMO "end of time" might just actually be the best translation.

Lad,

You're missing Struthio's point. The consummation is not a one shot thing like the "end of the world" suggests. The issue was "shepherds until the consummation." Here is Struthio's point, in his words, succinctly:

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The abomination of desolation, which is the beginning of the consummation of the world, would be the Robber Council 1962-1965 where virtually all apostolically authorized shepherds met to declare their revolt (2 Thess 2,3) and apostasy and adherence to the "synthesis of all heresies" in a most solemn act. They found a new religion of man and make fire to come down from heaven unto the earth (Apoc 13,13) for their new pentecost.

The Vatican Council explains the promise of our Lord (Mt 28,20) that there shall be apostolically authorized sheperds until the consummation.

The consummation is lasting more than 50 years now. It may last 70 years like the babylonian exile (Dan 9,2), or end before the generation of witnesses of the abomination will pass (Mt 24,32-34).

The essence of his argument is that the "consummation" is a period of time at the end of the age, or the end of the world, no matter. The consummation has a start date and an end date years later. If there are "shepherds" until the "consummation," so understood, then there's a period of time after it begins when there will be no shepherds.

That was the essence of his argument.

He has a lot of authority behind him in that thread.

DR

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #92 on:** December 18, 2025, 04:16:24 PM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on December 18, 2025, 03:42:04 PM

The consummation is not a one shot thing like the "end of the world" suggests.

This understanding has crossed my own mind many times over the years.

Just as everything involved in Our Lord's final period on earth (Passion until Ascension) far outstripped the grasp of mortal minds, why would it not be the same where His Mystical Body is concerned? No one would have thought He could die, but He did. Was He somehow less Divine for dying? Of course not. The Church, as She has existed since Her founding, is no longer as She was and no one has any idea how She will be resuscitated, so to speak. What shall we call such a state of affairs? Mystical death? Real death for His real Body, mystical death for His Mystical Body?

DecemRationis · « **Reply #93 on:** December 18, 2025, 04:27:34 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 18, 2025, 04:16:24 PM

This understanding has crossed my own mind many times over the years.

Just as everything involved in Our Lord's final period on earth (Passion until Ascension) far outstripped the grasp of mortal minds, why would it not be the same where His Mystical Body is concerned? No one would have thought He could die, but He did. Was He somehow less Divine for dying? Of course not. The Church, as She has existed since Her founding, is no longer as She was and no one has any idea how She will be resuscitated, so to speak. What shall we call such a state of affairs? Mystical death? Real death for His real Body, mystical death for His Mystical Body?

Gladius,

If you haven't read Struthio's thread, you might want to take a look:

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #94 on:** December 18, 2025, 04:36:10 PM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on December 18, 2025, 04:27:34 PM

If you haven't read Struthio's thread, you might want to take a look:

I have not, but I will. Thank you.

CathInfo.com

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