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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2025, 02:25:15 PM »
I am so sick of the filthy liars who infest the Trad movement, constantly lying and slandering, twisting truth and reality ... 

Disagreements are fine, but what isn't fine is to simply lie, to slander, to ignore those pesky little things called facts, etc.  If you want to impose a different interpretation on something, then go ahead and try to make a case, but it's not fine to simply ignore it and then to repeat your lies.

When they claim that Leo II condemned Honorius as a heretic, and then I provide 3 citations from Leo II where he clearly differentiates between the heretics and Honorius, by referring to his having PERMITED or ALLOWED the heresy to flourish ... both the current heretics arguing that point, simply ignore those quotes and re-state their lie that Leo II condemned Honorius as a heretic.

If you want to provide an alternative quotation, or you want to explain why I misread what he was saying ... by all means, go ahead.  But when you simply ignore it and then claim the opposie anyway ... you are a liar and that exposes your heresy as no longer having been made in good faith, and demonstrating that you are pertinacious.

Offline Angelus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2025, 02:26:56 PM »
:facepalm:  Nice try taking that statement out of context, the point of which is that you can opine and speculate Bergoglio meant it but Ratzinger did not, whereas I speculate the opposite ... and that who's the arbiter of truth?  Your own personal speculation that Ratzinger was well meaning, despite his repeated pertinacious adherence to and promotion of heresy, the same heresies as Bergoglio, does not suffices to save Ratzinger from loss of membership in the Church while at the same time somehow causing the loss of membershp for Bergoglio.

You can speculate, I can speculate the opposite ... but either one of us can take our opinion and go to a coffee shop with it, where that and $10 will get us a large cup of fancy coffee.

MANIFEST HERESY is what causes loss of membership in the Church, not your personal judgment that someone does or does not mean the heresy.

If you hold that Bergoglio lost membership in the Church on account of heresy, then so did Ratzinger, and so did Wojtyla.  Period.

You have this pathetic and absurd narrative that Bergoglio is the problem in the Church, and as long as we went back with Ratzinger, then Church Crisis Over!  Are you nuts?

Bergoglio was never a legitimate Pope to begin with because Benedict XVI was still alive at the time of the 2013 false conclave. His election was null and void. 

If one needed to prove Bergoglio was a manifest heretic, his teaching that divorced and remarried Catholics w/o annulment can receive Communion, would be sufficient for that. But again, he was never a legitimate Pope.


Offline Angelus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2025, 02:39:35 PM »
What?  He did that all by himself and well before he traded in his V2-era suit-and-tie for a white cassock.

When I read your words above, it made me think of those who endlessly excuse and defend Trumpenstein's clearly problematic words and actions.  He is not being thwarted or made to look bad by those around him; he is doing the job he has been assigned and doing it really well while far too many remain utterly oblivious to the reality of the situation.

Benedict XVI was not perfect. But he was made to look much worse by his enemies. He was definitely not a manifest heretic. 

The problem is that "trads" who have been in "the movement" for decades stopped paying attention to the details of what was happening in the Church long ago. They got their news filtered by outfits like Novus Ordo Watch. They didn't actually read any of the papal docuмents to discover what was really said. They just see the headline and give themselves a self-congratulatory pat on the back for their great foresight in leaving the Novus Ordo before everyone else did.

The end times deception really is a very complex deception that causes confusion in many groups, traditional Catholics included. We see this with the SSPX getting sucked back into the false Church at the time of the greatest apostasy. 

BXVI, Joseph Ratzinger, will redeem himself. It is prophesied. He is the Pope of "the same name" as Joseph Sarto, Pope Pius X. He is "the Venerable Old Man of Rome who will be vested in his former garments" as Don Bosco said. There is no need to argue with me. You are free to disagree. I cannot prove anything.

I know it sounds crazy. But the only thing more crazy than that is to think that the current hierarchy is going to elect a trad Pope and take it all back to 1959. No, the real solution will be something that most people cannot imagine. And it will involve supernatural events like the Warning and the Miracle, along with human events like the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart by a true Pope. 


Offline gladius_veritatis

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« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2025, 08:34:38 AM »
BXVI, Joseph Ratzinger, will redeem himself. It is prophesied. 

^^This^^ statement is puzzling, to put it mildly.  He has been dead for almost four years.  What, if anything, am I missing?

Offline Everlast22

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2025, 09:07:26 AM »
Benedict XVI was not perfect. But he was made to look much worse by his enemies. He was definitely not a manifest heretic.

The problem is that "trads" who have been in "the movement" for decades stopped paying attention to the details of what was happening in the Church long ago. They got their news filtered by outfits like Novus Ordo Watch. They didn't actually read any of the papal docuмents to discover what was really said. They just see the headline and give themselves a self-congratulatory pat on the back for their great foresight in leaving the Novus Ordo before everyone else did.

The end times deception really is a very complex deception that causes confusion in many groups, traditional Catholics included. We see this with the SSPX getting sucked back into the false Church at the time of the greatest apostasy.

BXVI, Joseph Ratzinger, will redeem himself. It is prophesied. He is the Pope of "the same name" as Joseph Sarto, Pope Pius X. He is "the Venerable Old Man of Rome who will be vested in his former garments" as Don Bosco said. There is no need to argue with me. You are free to disagree. I cannot prove anything.

I know it sounds crazy. But the only thing more crazy than that is to think that the current hierarchy is going to elect a trad Pope and take it all back to 1959. No, the real solution will be something that most people cannot imagine. And it will involve supernatural events like the Warning and the Miracle, along with human events like the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart by a true Pope.
Wow, dude....