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Author Topic: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette  (Read 249913 times)

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Offline Angelus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2025, 11:06:06 AM »

In addition, does a manifest heretic sepeparated from the Church lose office?  And that too can be distunguished, where, for instance, the sedeprivationists hold that he loses office not simpliciter, but secundum quid, where he loses the ability to formally exercise the office (and Fr. Chazal would say the same with sedeimpoundism), but remains nevertheless in material possession of and with legal claim TO the office.

This question is no longer merely in the realm of theological opinion. It has been practically settled and Canon Law forces Catholics to abide by 1917 Canon 188.4 in this matter.

Theological opinions do not overrule the currrent discipline of the Church found in Canon Law.

Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2025, 11:07:45 AM »
I affirm that Pope Honorius remained pope until his death.

I affirm that he was condemned as a heretic.

I deny that he was truly guilty before God of the public sin of heresy.
Honorius remained pope until his death and was condemned by the Sixth Ecuмenical Council; to deny his objective guilt of heresy is to mock the Council’s binding authority, relativize its dogmatic judgment, and contradict immutable Church teaching.

The question was strictly affirm or deny, and introducing a third option by denying his guilt before God not only violates the poll’s structure but effectively claims that an Ecuмenical Council, which defines dogma infallibly, erred in its judgment, a logical and theological impossibility that undermines the Church’s authority.





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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2025, 11:14:58 AM »
Honorius remained pope until his death and was condemned by the Sixth Ecuмenical Council; to deny his objective guilt of heresy is to mock the Council’s binding authority, relativize its dogmatic judgment, and contradict immutable Church teaching.

The question was strictly affirm or deny, and introducing a third option by denying his guilt before God not only violates the poll’s structure but effectively claims that an Ecuмenical Council, which defines dogma infallibly, erred in its judgment, a logical and theological impossibility that undermines the Church’s authority.

What is your point in bringing up a controversy like this? You do realize that historians and theologians don't even agree on the facts of the case. The records kept were not perfect.

And you do realize that the action of the Third Ecuмenical Council was a disciplinary action, right? If they did not correctly understand the facts of the case, their judgement was not valid.

Just because the disciplinary action dealt with the dogmatic subject matter of a "heresy," that does not mean that the disciplinary action was itself a dogmatic statement.

Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2025, 11:17:54 AM »
Honorius remained pope until his death and was condemned by the Sixth Ecuмenical Council; to deny his objective guilt of heresy is to mock the Council’s binding authority, relativize its dogmatic judgment, and contradict immutable Church teaching.

The question was strictly affirm or deny, and introducing a third option by denying his guilt before God not only violates the poll’s structure but effectively claims that an Ecuмenical Council, which defines dogma infallibly, erred in its judgment, a logical and theological impossibility that undermines the Church’s authority.

So, affirm or deny, are you condemning St. Francis de Sales for saying Honorius was "perhaps" a heretic?

Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2025, 11:35:54 AM »
Honorius remained pope until his death and was condemned by the Sixth Ecuмenical Council; to deny his objective guilt of heresy is to mock the Council’s binding authority, relativize its dogmatic judgment, and contradict immutable Church teaching.

The question was strictly affirm or deny, and introducing a third option by denying his guilt before God not only violates the poll’s structure but effectively claims that an Ecuмenical Council, which defines dogma infallibly, erred in its judgment, a logical and theological impossibility that undermines the Church’s authority.

The condemnation of a person as a heretic is not a divine judgment.  It is a human judgment.