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Offline Angelus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2025, 09:38:52 PM »
I love it how you claim that rejecting your interpretation of what Pius IX and Trent taught are to reject Pius IX and Trent.  We've demonstrated quite clearly why Pius IX didn't mean what you claim that he did, misreading it.

Let the reader here take note that this is the interpretation of a guy who believes that Bergoglio was an Anti-Pope because JP2's docuмent said a Pope had to be dead before a Conclave could begin (could not resign), and then believes Ratzinger was some great hero of the faith, who's not really dead ... but whose body was replaced by some look-alike for the burial, and that Ratzinger will return (will be 98 in two weeks I supposed) to restore the Church.

And you are the guy who said that "Most [of the trad bishops] are heretics." Here is the post where you said that:

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/sanborn's-anti-eens-(aka-'anti-feeneyite')-'catechism/msg1010950/#msg1010950

And FWIW, I confirm everything you said about me in the second paragraph above. So, by all means, "reader" take note of that.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #81 on: December 17, 2025, 12:20:08 AM »
And you are the guy who said that "Most [of the trad bishops] are heretics." Here is the post where you said that:

Of course, as per your typical lying ways, you truncate the sentence, right ... when I wrote, "Most are heretics ON THIS POINT." meaning that they hold a heretical position on this point, meaning EENS dogma.  This denotes an objectively heretical opinion regarding a specific concrete point rather than attributing pertinacity to any particular individual who adheres to this position.  In fact, I explicitly stated that I cannot judge their pertinacity ... but I am able to judge your pertinacity, because you refuse to apply any kind or reason, you ignore the clear refutations of your errors, and come up with one reason after another to deny the dogma EENS, rendering you clearly pertinacious, a manifest pertinacious heretic who's outside the Church. About these others, I can only say they are heretical ON THIS POINT, secundum quid and not heretics simpliciter.

But this has nothing to do with our dispute over the maning of Pope Pius IX's teaching.  You claim that you have correctly interpreted it.  We not only claim (gratuitously like you) that ours is the correct interpretation, but we actually demonstrate it by pointing out elements within the teaching that you simply ignore in order to twist it to your own meaning.

Nor is my interpretation of Pius IX my own.  I provided a link to Msgr. Fenton, a respected theologian, who also denounces your misreading of it as a misinterpretation and warping of the text.

So, either Msgr. Fenton and I and also Fr. Mueller, who was also quoted here by someone else are wrong, or else you are wrong, you and the Modernist heretics who also interpret Pius IX the way you do.

But, then if there's any doubt about our respective judgments, the reader can take note of the fact that you believe Ratzinger is a saintly holy orthodox man, a veritable St. Pius X, who merely faked his death, but will return to restore the Chruch, based on your warped interpretation of some dubious private revelation.  Readers can also note the fact that you "interpret" Wojtyla's Universi Domini Gregis docuмent to declare that a resignation would leave the See vacant until the Pope who resigned has died and has his funeral conducted, thereby rendering resignation moot, and potentially forcing a many-decade vacancy of the Holy See.

So ... yeah, let's accept YOUR interpretation of Pope Pius IX's meaning rather than mine, and that of Msgr. Fenton ... when you have shown such tremendous interpretation skills as to come up with the borderline-insane absurdities above.  You've really disqualified yourself from any rational debate on any subject.


Offline Angelus

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #82 on: December 17, 2025, 09:07:03 AM »
Of course, as per your typical lying ways, you truncate the sentence, right ... when I wrote, "Most are heretics ON THIS POINT." meaning that they hold a heretical position on this point, meaning EENS dogma.  This denotes an objectively heretical opinion regarding a specific concrete point rather than attributing pertinacity to any particular individual who adheres to this position.  In fact, I explicitly stated that I cannot judge their pertinacity ... but I am able to judge your pertinacity, because you refuse to apply any kind or reason, you ignore the clear refutations of your errors, and come up with one reason after another to deny the dogma EENS, rendering you clearly pertinacious, a manifest pertinacious heretic who's outside the Church. About these others, I can only say they are heretical ON THIS POINT, secundum quid and not heretics simpliciter.

But this has nothing to do with our dispute over the maning of Pope Pius IX's teaching.  You claim that you have correctly interpreted it.  We not only claim (gratuitously like you) that ours is the correct interpretation, but we actually demonstrate it by pointing out elements within the teaching that you simply ignore in order to twist it to your own meaning.

Nor is my interpretation of Pius IX my own.  I provided a link to Msgr. Fenton, a respected theologian, who also denounces your misreading of it as a misinterpretation and warping of the text.

So, either Msgr. Fenton and I and also Fr. Mueller, who was also quoted here by someone else are wrong, or else you are wrong, you and the Modernist heretics who also interpret Pius IX the way you do.

But, then if there's any doubt about our respective judgments, the reader can take note of the fact that you believe Ratzinger is a saintly holy orthodox man, a veritable St. Pius X, who merely faked his death, but will return to restore the Chruch, based on your warped interpretation of some dubious private revelation.  Readers can also note the fact that you "interpret" Wojtyla's Universi Domini Gregis docuмent to declare that a resignation would leave the See vacant until the Pope who resigned has died and has his funeral conducted, thereby rendering resignation moot, and potentially forcing a many-decade vacancy of the Holy See.

So ... yeah, let's accept YOUR interpretation of Pope Pius IX's meaning rather than mine, and that of Msgr. Fenton ... when you have shown such tremendous interpretation skills as to come up with the borderline-insane absurdities above.  You've really disqualified yourself from any rational debate on any subject.

You really are confused. Fine, you called "most of the Trad bishops heretical on the point." Then you try to deny that they are "pertinacious" on this point. Pertinacious is defined as "holding firmly to an opinion or a course of action." So your little caveat amounts to a distinction without a difference. 

Bishop Sanborn is certainly "pertinacious" in his interpretation against Feeneyism which you started a thread on. He hold firmly to the opinion that Feeneyism is heretical precisely because is contradicts Pius IX's teaching, correctly interpreted. Here it is that article:

https://mostholytrinityseminary.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Combined-Feeney-articles-red.pdf

Therefore, even though you try (and fail) to squirm out of what you said, you cannot avoid the fact that you call "most of the trad bishops heretical" because the condemn Feeneyism just like 99.9% of all Catholic bishop and theologians have since then controversy started. Even if you claim they are not "pertinacious heretics," you are calling them "manifest heretics" which means, according to Catholic theology that we should avoid them anyway.

It is you and your Feeneyite buddies who hold and proclaim "from the rooftops" the heretical position, not "most of the trad bishops." But you will continue to weave your little web of lies that confuse a bunch of 20-somethings and simpletons who have not yet figured out your game.



Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #83 on: December 17, 2025, 09:25:24 AM »
2029 is a good time for something to happen, since it'll mark 100 years since Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia, and would be just a bit over 70 years since Roncalli usurped the papacy

FWIW, those who oppose all that is good and true and beautiful are clearly pushing for the completion of their agenda at exactly the same time.  Why?

Offline gladius_veritatis

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« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2025, 09:26:12 AM »
That was Bergs, don't ya know?

Pardon my insurmountable density :fryingpan: