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Author Topic: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette  (Read 249660 times)

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2025, 09:01:25 PM »
The man on the bier was not Ratzinger. Totally different profile. Nose, chin, forehead do not match that of Ratzinger.

But the real evidence is in the prophecies. The 70 years since John XXIII failed to announce the Third Secret BEFORE 1960 is almost up. And the Pope with the "same name" as Guiseppe [Joseph] Sarto is not Bergoglio or Prevost.

It should be obvious who the Holy Father who had "much to suffer" was. It was Benedict XVI, who was forced to "resign" so that Bergoglian revolution could be finalized before God said His "enough."
The imprisoned Benedict XVI had better hurry up.  He isn't getting any younger.

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2025, 09:01:59 PM »
Bergoglio was never a legitimate Pope to begin with because Benedict XVI was still alive at the time of the 2013 false conclave. His election was null and void.

I honestly can't believe you're still clinging to this crap.  So UDG does specify that the Conclave should begin after the death and funeral rites of the Pope, but I pointed out that this reference, using the subjunctive (hypothetical) mood in the Latin clearly refers to ... death and funeral of the Pope ... IF ANY, and the earlier parts of the docuмent speak about the resignation scenario, which would be nonsensical to discuss at all then, and Wojtyla would have specified "in case of resignation the see must remain vacant until the pope who resigned has died, and no new pope can be elected in the meantime."  So, hypothetically, had they elected a 29-year-old and he resigned at the sage of 30, if he died at the age of 100, there would be a forced 70-year vacancy of the Holy See ... by your reading.

I love it how on the EENS thread you derided us as nuts, when you're over hear pushing this stuff ... even after it's been soundly debunked by my citation of the Latin ... and just be, ahem, COMMON SENSE, and now you're talking about how Ratzinger never died, but was replaced by some lookalike?  And WE are crazies for disputing the existence of Baptism of Desire (which numerous Church Fathers rejected)?  When people run this terribly afoul of basic common sense, that's often a sign if insanity, a denial of and detachment from reality.  No Pope would ever declare that after a resignation, the vacancy of the See cannot be filled until the Pope who resigned had died and had his funeral rites conducted.


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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2025, 09:02:12 PM »
So who founded the Conciliar Church and how does that fit in your, shall we say, interesting understanding?

If you will read about the Beasts discussed by Daniel in chapter 7, you can see that they are successive papal regimes.  The 7 heads are 7 kings (the Pope-Monarchs) of the Vatican City-State that was founded by the Lateran Treaty in 1929. 

That was the foundation of the First Beast which included Pius XI and Pius XII. The Second Beast was John XXIII and Paul VI. The Third Beast was JPI, JPII, Benedict XVI. The Fourth Beast was Bergoglio and the other Cardinals.

The Beasts, again, are regimes. They are reflections mainly of the Cardinals who were running the show behind the scenes. The Pope were puppets of the Cardinals for the most part. Less at the beginning. More as time when on.

The Fourth Beast was not like the others because it did not have a legitimate head. It is described as the worst of all. It is the Synodal Church. 

The Conciliar Church was the seed. The Synodal Church is the rotten fruit from the Conciliar tree.

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2025, 09:10:38 PM »
I honestly can't believe you're still clinging to this crap.  So UDG does specify that the Conclave should begin after the death and funeral rites of the Pope, but I pointed out that this reference, using the subjunctive (hypothetical) mood in the Latin clearly refers to ... death and funeral of the Pope ... IF ANY, and the earlier parts of the docuмent speak about the resignation scenario, which would be nonsensical to discuss at all then, and Wojtyla would have specified "in case of resignation the see must remain vacant until the pope who resigned has died, and no new pope can be elected in the meantime."  So, hypothetically, had they elected a 29-year-old and he resigned at the sage of 30, if he died at the age of 100, there would be a forced 70-year vacancy of the Holy See ... by your reading.

I love it how on the EENS thread you derided us as nuts, when you're over hear pushing this stuff ... even after it's been soundly debunked by my citation of the Latin ... and just be, ahem, COMMON SENSE, and now you're talking about how Ratzinger never died, but was replaced by some lookalike?  And WE are crazies for disputing the existence of Baptism of Desire (which numerous Church Fathers rejected)?  When people run this terribly afoul of basic common sense, that's often a sign if insanity, a denial of and detachment from reality.  No Pope would ever declare that after a resignation, the vacancy of the See cannot be filled until the Pope who resigned had died and had his funeral rites conducted.

The EENS related discussion was dogmatic and doctrinal. Anyone who rejects what Pius IX taught about Invincible Ignorance or rejects what Trent taught about Baptism of Desire is proclaiming clearly heretical things.

The end times prophecies and private revelations are speculative in nature. We can agree to disagree. But I think it will be best if people actually check the sources I refer to and consider what I said with an open mind. These things are going to happen. Maybe not exactly as I understand it. But they are going to happen and soon.

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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2025, 09:24:20 PM »
The EENS related discussion was dogmatic and doctrinal. Anyone who rejects what Pius IX taught about Invincible Ignorance or rejects what Trent taught about Baptism of Desire is proclaiming clearly heretical things.

I love it how you claim that rejecting your interpretation of what Pius IX and Trent taught are to reject Pius IX and Trent.  We've demonstrated quite clearly why Pius IX didn't mean what you claim that he did, misreading it.

Let the reader here take note that this is the interpretation of a guy who believes that Bergoglio was an Anti-Pope because JP2's docuмent said a Pope had to be dead before a Conclave could begin (could not resign), and then believes Ratzinger was some great hero of the faith, who's not really dead ... but whose body was replaced by some look-alike for the burial, and that Ratzinger will return (will be 98 in two weeks I supposed) to restore the Church.