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SSPX Resistance Sermons / Re: Fr. Girouard: Saints talk about signs of being in the State of Grace.
« Last post by Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 10:40:52 AM »Just to be clear: do you personally accept Vatican II ‘in the light of Tradition’ and the New Mass as ‘legitimately promulgated’? These are the exact phrases Bishop Fellay agreed to in the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration, which now binds the Neo-SSPX.Here's your problem...these phrases "legitimately promulgated" and "in the light of Tradition" are not theological statements, but legal ones. So there's gray area there, depending on what the new-sspx means by these terms.
One could argue:
1. Was the new mass legitimately promulgated? Yes, Paul6 promulgated the apostolic constitution (legal docuмent) which created the new mass. This is a fact of history. If you believe Paul6 was legitimately the pope, then his docuмent was legitimately promulgated (i.e. the docuмent was legally issued).
Being legitimately promulgated has nothing to do with whether the new mass is valid, or licit or moral. Promulgation just has to do with a legal question. And, yes, the docuмent which Paul6 issued, is legal. It's a very strict question, with a very strict answer.
2. Accepting V2 'in the light of Tradition'. Well, new-rome has already said that the new-sspx is allowed to QUESTION certain parts of V2. So this "acceptance" is not unconditional and 100%. It's just not.
Is the new-sspx playing word games, to condition the faithful and to propagandize towards a FULLER agreement with new-rome in the future? Absolutely. But as of now, nothing they have agreed to is heretical. And if it's not heretical, then you can't 'red light' them.