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Quote from: ManuelChavez

You wrote a list full of assumptions. You assumed that I am heliocentric, and you presume that anything other than flat earth is heliocentric. That is incorrect. Your notions of those who espouse a geocentric, globe earth are also incorrect as well as short-sighted.

Repeat after me:

"EARTH IS NOT A CELESTIAL OBJECT."

There.

Lesson over.

Now, you understand WHY you CANNOT have a version of geocentrism that makes of the earth just another one of many, many celestial objects.

The EARTH does not exist IN SPACE.

It DOES NOT FOLLOW that the earth would also be a celestial object, simply because one can see celestial objects above it in the Firmament.

The earth is a different part of Creation altogether - and it is stationary and does not move. The celestial objects rotate in a circle above the flat earth plane, as was amply demonstrated in the star trails video posted by FlatEarth Inquisitor.

We have measured the distance of the Moon from the earth using various methods, including lasers. One can shine a bright laser at the moon and have the light reflected back. Using the speed of the laser and the reflected light, we can figure the distance the light traveled.

That would be roughly 239,000 miles. Since the moon appears between the earth and the sun, the sun is not 3,000 miles from the earth, according to the distance of the moon from the earth.

The sun would need to be much further than 239,000 miles.

The ancient Greeks also figured this out using more primitive means, and their tests can be done using two people with long-range communications (cell phone). The distance derived from these tests supports the laser tests of the moon's distance from the earth.

Quote from: ManuelChavez

This is the list of assumptions I received:

From Happenby: Let me guess, you think earth is a ball...

1. Because NASA says so.

Answer: No. I do my own research, and then compare it with what NASA and the flat earthers both say.

2. Because somebody says a shadow on the moon is curved.

Answer: People can say that, but I rely on my own research and observations.

3. Because teachers said so.

Answer: See above...

4. Because somebody said that flat earth is stupid.

Answer: Insults do not equate to truth.

5. Because everybody else says its true.

Answer: Everybody could say a lot of things that aren't true, though I don't think there has ever seen anything that "everybody" has ever agreed upon as true.

6. Because somebody says that the stars and sun and moon wouldn't work on flat earth.

Answer: Somebody can say that, but I do not rely on their words. I have done my own studies, and there are unanswered questions and apparent errors in regards to the flat earth, especially when considering the motion of the moon, the stars and the sun.

7. Because somebody said ships disappear over the horizon.

Answer: What is it with you and "somebody"? I have my own mind, eyes, ears, and so on. I don't have to rely on "somebody" for my own observations.

Ships are not my concern.

8. Because somebody said astronauts saw it.

Answer: I heard that somebody saw bigfoot once. It was a scientist, too. I don't believe in bigfoot.

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Well, there's the list of assumptions and my answers to the assumptions.

I hate assumptions...

Ok, me too.  My apologies.  

You people are beyond reason. I recommend taking a logic class, followed by a geometry course, followed by some basic physics. But of course, because I am clearly a modernist or something, you aren't going to do any of that.

I am done with this nonsense. Enjoy your ignorance.

If anyone is actually confused about this stuff and willing to approach it with an open mind, feel free to PM me.

Quote from: ManuelChavez

We have measured the distance of the Moon from the earth using various methods, including lasers. One can shine a bright laser at the moon and have the light reflected back. Using the speed of the laser and the reflected light, we can figure the distance the light traveled.

That would be roughly 239,000 miles. Since the moon appears between the earth and the sun, the sun is not 3,000 miles from the earth, according to the distance of the moon from the earth.

The sun would need to be much further than 239,000 miles.

The ancient Greeks also figured this out using more primitive means, and their tests can be done using two people with long-range communications (cell phone). The distance derived from these tests supports the laser tests of the moon's distance from the earth.

the astronomer Dominico Cassini and King Louis XIV's Paris Observatory had another similar system back in 1672..

‘In 1672 Cassini took advantage of a good opposition of Mars to determine the distance between the Earth and that planet. He arranged for Jean Richer (1630-1696) to make measurements from his base in Cayenne, on the north eastern coast of South Africa, while Cassini made simultaneous measurements in Paris which permitted them to make a triangulation of Mars with a baseline of nearly 10,000 kilometres. This derived a good approximation for the distance between the Earth and Mars, from which Cassini was able to deduce many other astronomical distances. These included the Astronomical Unit [the distance of the sun from the earth] which Cassini found to be 138 million kilometres, only 11 million kilometres too little [that is, according to today’s proposed measurements].   ---  David Abbot: Astronomers, The Biographical Dictionary of Scientists, Blonde Educational, 1984, p.35.

The Church teaches infallibly that heliocentrism, the notion that earth moves and sun is stationary, IS FALSE and contrary to the Faith. The Church also teaches that the sun, moon and stars reside inside a visible firmament that is laid out as a firm boundary, like a tent, between heaven and earth.