Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 340646 times)

happenby · « **Reply #360 on:** March 13, 2017, 01:15:58 PM »

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Now that we have a little history of NASA, Pythagorean/Copernicans and their "Luciferian doctrine" it is quite clear that those who adopt the heliocentric theory hold anti-Catholic belief. The Church condemned this trash during the Galileo Affair.

The Church' magisterium did not condemn it. The Church's disciplinary arm acted on a particular case to protect the faith of the faithful. You probably don't understand this because your own faith is screwed up (as shown in the Feeneyite sub-forum). The Church has, and always will, even condemn truth if it is worded improperly which is prone to mislead the common faithful.

The Holy Office protected the faithful because geocentrism was so closely connected with Holy Scripture and commonly so. At a time when Protestant revolt was disfiguring the faith, the Galileo affair was disturbing the faithful in a sudden wave, and the Holy Office successfully protected the faithful. It appears to be true that the Holy Office considered the danger to be intrinsicly doctrinal, which we know now was a mistake, but it WAS NOT a doctrinal mistake of the magisterium, and in the end it showed itself to be an extrinsic danger to the faith. Extrinsic dangers pass with the passing of time and circuмstance.

One wonders if this guy can even read.

happenby · « **Reply #361 on:** March 13, 2017, 01:20:44 PM »

Pope Alexander VII wrote one of the most authoritative docuмents related to the heliocentrism issue. He published his Index Librorum Prohibitorum Alexandri VII Pontificis Maximi jussu editus which presented anew the contents of the Index of Forbidden Books which had condemned the works of Copernicus and Galileo. According to Rev. William Roberts, he prefaced this with the bull Speculatores Domus Israel, stating his reasons: "in order that the whole history of each case may be known." 'For this purpose,' the Pontiff stated, 'we have caused the Tridentine and Clementine Indices to be added to this general Index, and also all the relevant decrees up to the present time, that have been issued since the Index of our predecessor Clement, that nothing profitable to the faithful interested in such matters might seem omitted."[33] Among those included were the previous decrees placing various heliocentric works on the Index" ("...which should be considered as though it were inserted in these presents, together with all, and singular, the things contained therein...") and using his Apostolic authority he bound the faithful to its contents ("...and approve with Apostolic authority by the tenor of these presents, and: command and enjoin all persons everywhere to yield this Index a constant and complete obedience...")[34] Thus, Alexander turned definitively against the heliocentric view of the solar system.

FlatEarthInquisitor · « **Reply #362 on:** March 13, 2017, 01:30:18 PM »

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Now that we have a little history of NASA, Pythagorean/Copernicans and their "Luciferian doctrine" it is quite clear that those who adopt the heliocentric theory hold anti-Catholic belief. The Church condemned this trash during the Galileo Affair.

The Church' magisterium did not condemn it. The Church's disciplinary arm acted on a particular case to protect the faith of the faithful. You probably don't understand this because your own faith is screwed up (as shown in the Feeneyite sub-forum). The Church has, and always will, even condemn truth if it is worded improperly which is prone to mislead the common faithful.

The Holy Office protected the faithful because geocentrism was so closely connected with Holy Scripture and commonly so. At a time when Protestant revolt was disfiguring the faith, the Galileo affair was disturbing the faithful in a sudden wave, and the Holy Office successfully protected the faithful. It appears to be true that the Holy Office considered the danger to be intrinsicly doctrinal, which we know now was a mistake, but it WAS NOT a doctrinal mistake of the magisterium, and in the end it showed itself to be an extrinsic danger to the faith. Extrinsic dangers pass with the passing of time and circuмstance.

Like Neil, you gloss over and don't respond to the posts that you don't like. (and which expose you)

Your distinctions are most interesting but not really relevant. It is a smoke-screen to distract from whether the earth is flat or not.

Why don't you go back and actually read my post which challenged you.

Or just get lost and stop annoying us.

Why exactly do you say it was a mistake to consider it intrinsically doctrinal?

happenby · « **Reply #363 on:** March 13, 2017, 01:41:13 PM »

WHEN a person is disoriented, he is in a state of confusion and loses his bearings. He does not understand things clearly. It's similar to being away and sleeping in a room where the bed, the window, the door are all different from your own room at home. And upon waking up suddenly in the middle of the night, you are at first disoriented, confused----Where am I? Where's the door, where's the window? So most people have actually experienced disorientation.

Diabolical disorientation, on the other hand, is when a person is disoriented by various tricks of the devil. These diabolical tricks are not simply a kind of possession portrayed on television and in the movies. The devil, the purveyor of diabolical disorientation, manages often to give the targeted person a perception quite different from reality and yet, the person so diabolically disorientated is convinced what he thinks is the truth when it is actually a lie.

--Archbishop Fulton J Sheen

cassini · « **Reply #364 on:** March 13, 2017, 04:28:28 PM »

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The Church teaches infallibly that heliocentrism, the notion that earth moves and sun is stationary, IS FALSE and contrary to the Faith. The Church also teaches that the sun, moon and stars reside inside a visible firmament that is laid out as a firm boundary, like a tent, between heaven and earth.

The Church teaches no such thing. The Church has for generations taught heliocentrism in Her parish schools. This would not happen if it were against Catholic teaching.

We better not get into this discussion on this thread Bumphy, but you deserve an answer to your post.

The master of U-turn accusations just starts his post off with a U-turn! You should have started another thread.

I observed that you are new on this forum Bumpy and possibly unaware that certain matters are inclined to dominate and take over a thread designed to discuss a different matter. This is a flat-earth discussion and not a geocentric/heliocentric one. The answer I gave you did not ask or seek a reply so that it would not distract from the flat-earth theme or take over the thread with a G/H one as has happened many times before.

But you, being the person you are, were unable to read my effort to explain something FOR you in the spirit it was given and preferrted instead to find something negative you could reply with. If such is the level of your interest in finding truth then what are you doing on this forum?