Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 341333 times)

happenby · « **Reply #300 on:** March 09, 2017, 06:33:22 PM »

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The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

And that's why truly flat, consistently level surfaces don't exist. The fact is that you need a very large body of water for the curvature to be large enough to detect. A little simple algebra can demonstrate this. So you need to either be at a coastline, where you can observe the sun sinking below the horizon, or some other sufficiently large body of water.

The spring equinox is in a few weeks, so anyone unconvinced can easily go observe for themselves the proof of the round earth by watching sunrise on the 20th. See (the last part of the video I think) for a full explanation of the proof and why it works.

What does the Pope have to do with anything at all?

The sun does not sink below the horizon.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/7Zy_qg5EbJk[/youtube]

Phenomenal video! Sun is shown within the firmament where it exists, with localized light illuminating a small area of clouds and not from 93,000,000 miles away Plus, this is a shut the front door and shut your mouth proof that the sun does not disappear behind the curve.

mw2016 · « **Reply #301 on:** March 09, 2017, 07:20:22 PM »

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I made a very long post somewhere in one of the 30 threads on this topic about conclusions that can and can't be drawn from horizon pictures like these. The long and the short of it is that to actual get measurable curvature*, you have to be at around 30,000 feet, have at least 60 degrees field of view, and have be careful to minimize lens distortion**.

NoOneImportant:

I have a task for you.

Please go to your child's playroom.

Select a ball. Any size - doesn't matter. Beach ball, golf ball, baseball.

Now, please demonstrate the flat surface on any of the balls you found.

It's ok, I'll wait....

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Alright, so there weren't any flat areas, now were there?

No, I didn't think so.

Therefore, no matter the size - a ball is a ball is a ball. There are NO FLAT SURFACES ON A BALL.

EVER.

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #302 on:** March 09, 2017, 11:32:06 PM »

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But if the earth were flat, the angle between the north star, Polaris, and the horizon, would always be the same, regardless of latitude.

Not at all.

mw is correct. Why is everyone in this thread so bad at geometry? It is trivial to show the curvature of the earth with basic geometry. The greeks did it over 2000 years ago.

There is no curvature to the earth.

Those are all panoramic shots, and by their nature, would not exhibit any curve.

Panoramic shots are designed to work in this way, so these shots in and of themselves do not prove a flat earth, nor do they disprove a globe earth.

If you are going to claim that NASA's photos of the globe earth are fake, then you cannot use photos that have been stitched together by computer software to claim the earth is flat.

That is illogical.

Ok, do show, anything at all, that proves curve commensurate with a 24,000 mile ball. Your own personal tests, someone else's tests, photos, whatever. Please only untouched, non cgi, not photoshopped evidence. But I'll take anything at all.

Just to save you time and effort if you were to try, let me admit to you that no one to date has produced this evidence and I've been doing flat earth for almost 10 years now. Why? Because they know it doesn't exist. NASA provides glorious photoshops of all sorts of things in outer space, yet not one true video of the rotating earth. Seriously? Not one single photo of the ball earth. NOT ONE!!! BY NASA'S OWN ADMISSION! So, please explain to me where is your evidence that earth is a ball?

Let me guess, you think earth is a ball...

1. Because NASA says so.
2. Because somebody says a shadow on the moon is curved.
3. Because teachers said so.
4. Because somebody said that flat earth is stupid.
5. Because everybody else says its true.
6. Because somebody says that the stars and sun and moon wouldn't work on flat earth.
7. Because somebody said ships disappear over the horizon.
8. Because somebody said astronauts saw it.

Wow. 100% of heliocentrism theory held by individuals is unsubstantiated, undocuмented, unphotographed, untenable HEARSAY! I really want to understand why good Catholics maintain heliocentric theory, when the Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism? Scripture only describes a flat immovable earth. Church Fathers condemned heliocentric theory, including sphericity of earth, based on scripture, yet Catholics still have the nerve to hold this blatantly condemned proposition.

Maybe you could explain that to me. I really don't get it. What are people holding on to?

Your post is full of assumptions. I never said I support heliocentrism. I never mentioned it. Your list of reasons for recognizing the possibility of the globe earth are not mine, nor have I ever implied these things.

Your assumptions of my reasons and my motivations are incorrect. Instead of assuming, you should ask first before shooting...

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #303 on:** March 09, 2017, 11:33:31 PM »

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But if the earth were flat, the angle between the north star, Polaris, and the horizon, would always be the same, regardless of latitude.

Not at all.

mw is correct. Why is everyone in this thread so bad at geometry? It is trivial to show the curvature of the earth with basic geometry. The greeks did it over 2000 years ago.

There is no curvature to the earth.

Those are all panoramic shots, and by their nature, would not exhibit any curve.

Panoramic shots are designed to work in this way, so these shots in and of themselves do not prove a flat earth, nor do they disprove a globe earth.

If you are going to claim that NASA's photos of the globe earth are fake, then you cannot use photos that have been stitched together by computer software to claim the earth is flat.

That is illogical.

Ok, do show, anything at all, that proves curve commensurate with a 24,000 mile ball. Your own personal tests, someone else's tests, photos, whatever. Please only untouched, non cgi, not photoshopped evidence. But I'll take anything at all.

Just to save you time and effort if you were to try, let me admit to you that no one to date has produced this evidence and I've been doing flat earth for almost 10 years now. Why? Because they know it doesn't exist. NASA provides glorious photoshops of all sorts of things in outer space, yet not one true video of the rotating earth. Seriously? Not one single photo of the ball earth. NOT ONE!!! BY NASA'S OWN ADMISSION! So, please explain to me where is your evidence that earth is a ball?

Let me guess, you think earth is a ball...

1. Because NASA says so.
2. Because somebody says a shadow on the moon is curved.
3. Because teachers said so.
4. Because somebody said that flat earth is stupid.
5. Because everybody else says its true.
6. Because somebody says that the stars and sun and moon wouldn't work on flat earth.
7. Because somebody said ships disappear over the horizon.
8. Because somebody said astronauts saw it.

Wow. 100% of heliocentrism theory held by individuals is unsubstantiated, undocuмented, unphotographed, untenable HEARSAY! I really want to understand why good Catholics maintain heliocentric theory, when the Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism? Scripture only describes a flat immovable earth. Church Fathers condemned heliocentric theory, including sphericity of earth, based on scripture, yet Catholics still have the nerve to hold this blatantly condemned proposition.

Maybe you could explain that to me. I really don't get it. What are people holding on to?

They love Pope Francis more than Catholic Tradition.

That is untrue, and it is quite rude as well.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #304 on:** March 09, 2017, 11:44:21 PM »

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The sun does not sink below the horizon.

False.

It is plainly visible from a private airplane, when flying westward at sunset, to see the sun dip below the horizon, all one needs to do is to gain elevation a few hundred feet to see the sun re-appear where it went down, and then by descending one can see the sun set again over the horizon.

On a clear day, standing in a valley with mountains to the east, anyone with eyes to see can follow the shadow of the setting sun cast on the mountainside as it moves up the hillside. You can actually watch it move -- but it moves slowly. On an open field, such as Death Valley, you cannot run fast enough to keep up with the shadow it moves so fast.

Of course, some people (generally Modernists) cannot believe what they see with their own eyes.