Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 340753 times)

FlatEarthInquisitor · « **Reply #340 on:** March 11, 2017, 01:58:24 PM »

Quote from: noOneImportant

You people are beyond reason. I recommend taking a logic class, followed by a geometry course, followed by some basic physics. But of course, because I am clearly a modernist or something, you aren't going to do any of that.

I am done with this nonsense. Enjoy your ignorance.

If anyone is actually confused about this stuff and willing to approach it with an open mind, feel free to PM me.

I don't want anyone reading this to think go away actually swayed by you so I have some brief things to say:

It is you in ignorance, because you have not successfully refuted the no curvature arguments.

It is you being illogical. Your round earth is only logical once it holds certain premises. That the earth is round! any thing after that is a circular logic and we can't have a discussion with you.

Therefore it is YOU beyond reason.

Geometry we agree with. The flat earth no-curvature argument is based on geometry! As for the stars/sun geometry, you have presuppositions about the distance or put them as being so far that it makes no odds, but fail to take into account that the geometry works perfectly on a flat earth!

cassini · « **Reply #341 on:** March 11, 2017, 03:35:33 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

We have measured the distance of the Moon from the earth using various methods, including lasers. One can shine a bright laser at the moon and have the light reflected back. Using the speed of the laser and the reflected light, we can figure the distance the light traveled.

That would be roughly 239,000 miles. Since the moon appears between the earth and the sun, the sun is not 3,000 miles from the earth, according to the distance of the moon from the earth.

The sun would need to be much further than 239,000 miles.

The ancient Greeks also figured this out using more primitive means, and their tests can be done using two people with long-range communications (cell phone). The distance derived from these tests supports the laser tests of the moon's distance from the earth.

the astronomer Dominico Cassini and King Louis XIV's Paris Observatory had another similar system back in 1672..

‘In 1672 Cassini took advantage of a good opposition of Mars to determine the distance between the Earth and that planet. He arranged for Jean Richer (1630-1696) to make measurements from his base in Cayenne, on the north eastern coast of South Africa, while Cassini made simultaneous measurements in Paris which permitted them to make a triangulation of Mars with a baseline of nearly 10,000 kilometres. This derived a good approximation for the distance between the Earth and Mars, from which Cassini was able to deduce many other astronomical distances. These included the Astronomical Unit [the distance of the sun from the earth] which Cassini found to be 138 million kilometres, only 11 million kilometres too little [that is, according to today’s proposed measurements]. --- David Abbot: Astronomers, The Biographical Dictionary of Scientists, Blonde Educational, 1984, p.35.

happenby · « **Reply #342 on:** March 11, 2017, 03:48:50 PM »

Quote from: cassini

Quote from: ManuelChavez
We have measured the distance of the Moon from the earth using various methods, including lasers. One can shine a bright laser at the moon and have the light reflected back. Using the speed of the laser and the reflected light, we can figure the distance the light traveled.

That would be roughly 239,000 miles. Since the moon appears between the earth and the sun, the sun is not 3,000 miles from the earth, according to the distance of the moon from the earth.

The sun would need to be much further than 239,000 miles.

The ancient Greeks also figured this out using more primitive means, and their tests can be done using two people with long-range communications (cell phone). The distance derived from these tests supports the laser tests of the moon's distance from the earth.

the astronomer Dominico Cassini and King Louis XIV's Paris Observatory had another similar system back in 1672..

‘In 1672 Cassini took advantage of a good opposition of Mars to determine the distance between the Earth and that planet. He arranged for Jean Richer (1630-1696) to make measurements from his base in Cayenne, on the north eastern coast of South Africa, while Cassini made simultaneous measurements in Paris which permitted them to make a triangulation of Mars with a baseline of nearly 10,000 kilometres. This derived a good approximation for the distance between the Earth and Mars, from which Cassini was able to deduce many other astronomical distances. These included the Astronomical Unit [the distance of the sun from the earth] which Cassini found to be 138 million kilometres, only 11 million kilometres too little [that is, according to today’s proposed measurements]. --- David Abbot: Astronomers, The Biographical Dictionary of Scientists, Blonde Educational, 1984, p.35.

The problem with Cassini's measurements is that verifying his results are almost impossible. On the other hand, verifying measurements to the sun/moon can be done by anyone at all and most certainly do not add up to millions of miles for sun or hundreds of thousands of miles for the moon. Scripture alone should suffice to prove sun and moon are in the firmament, relatively small and nearby. But for the ones who care to do the measurements for themselves...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za23.htm

cassini · « **Reply #343 on:** March 12, 2017, 12:01:46 PM »

Quote from: mw2016

Cassini is buried under piles of HELIOCENTRISM.

YOU MUST LET GO OF YOUR HELIOCENTRISM!

Stop trying to salvage parts of it by combining it with GC - it does not work!

Quote from: happenby

The Church also teaches that the sun, moon and stars reside inside a visible firmament that is laid out as a firm boundary, like a tent, between heaven and earth. Thus, by God's Holy Will, people certainly will not fry... unless they deny these Catholic teachings.

AMEN!

Tell that to Mary Of Agreda (1602-1665);

"God created the earth cojointly with the heavens, in order to call into existance hell IN ITS CENTRE; for, at the instant of its creation, there were left in the interior OF THAT GLOBE spacious and wide cavities, suitable for hell, purgatory and Limbo." --- Mystical City of God.

Mary of Agreda also refers to the sun and moon as "planets" which is geocentric.

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #344 on:** March 12, 2017, 12:16:19 PM »

Quote from: happenby

The Church teaches infallibly that heliocentrism, the notion that earth moves and sun is stationary, IS FALSE and contrary to the Faith. The Church also teaches that the sun, moon and stars reside inside a visible firmament that is laid out as a firm boundary, like a tent, between heaven and earth.

The Church teaches no such thing. The Church has for generations taught heliocentrism in Her parish schools. This would not happen if it were against Catholic teaching.