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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: My thoughts on the SSPX Consecrations
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2026, 04:11:41 PM »
That is pure cope. The world was a vastly different place in the early 1900's. The fact is that +ABL selected priests who were multilingual and strategically covered the world with +Williamson, +De Mallerais and +Galarreta. His choices seemed very calculated and rational.

Which makes sense, given A) the limited number of bishops to be consecrated, and B) the scope of their work: namely, the entire world.

The Neo-SSPX seems to have other priorities now, namely: youth, being a "company man", their politics or position on Rome, etc.

Sure, and all Vatican business was conducted in Italian (with official docuмents in Latin).  This idea of a non-Italian Pope just didn't really occur to them during that time, and, after all, the Pope is the Bishop of Rome.  That was long before the globe-trotting papacy of Wojtywa, where I recall he used to show off by saying "Merry Christmas" each year in about 75 languages, and where we'd wait for him to say it in Hungarian (which he didn't get quite right).  If the Pope did need to speak with non-Italian speaking people, they used Latin, which was a spoken language back then.

SSPX are relatively small in numbers given their global reach, so they're spread thin, and it's extremely important that their leadership (superiors, bishops, etc.) can communicate effectively.  And, despite the pretensions of many modern Trad clergy, very few of them could speak Latin fluently.

I'm fairly certain Fr. Goldade was chosen to energize the people at St. Mary's and to minimize any potential defections.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: My thoughts on the SSPX Consecrations
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2026, 04:22:20 PM »
Bp. Z has his reasons why he doesn't want to plaster everything all over the Internet, and intelligence/prudence has a lot to do with it.

You haven't lived the life of a Traditional bishop trying to build up the Church and preserve Tradition and the sacraments. There are challenges and obstacles you couldn't imagine -- ignorance is bliss.

It all seems so simple to you. A lot of us might THINK we know what to do, what should be done, like it's all cut-and-dried simple and easy. But it's easy to back-seat drive, Monday morning quarterback the situation, when you aren't involved yourself.

Strictly speaking, you (and others) have no clue what challenges Bp. Z faces on a daily basis.

Yes, people somehow believe that the clergy are required to broadcast everything from the rooftops ... and appeal to things needing to be made "public" and where they shouldn't be done "in secret" ... but the reality of it is that these calls are motivated by a feeling of being "left out", not being "in the inner circle" ... and just a general need to know related to what animates the vice of gossip, where they have "itchy ears".

+Willamson and +Vigano have been blasted for not publicizing his conditional consecration, and were denounced for keeping it "secret".

So, people also don't have the right definiton of "secret", since ... if anyone went and asked +Williamson, or +Faure, or Chazal (the 3 I've seen respond), they would all tell them, "yes, the conditoinal consecration occurred."  See, that's not "secret".  There never has been some requirement in Canon Law to post something on X or JewTube ... or, back in the day, in the newspaper, in order for it not to be "secret".  Now, behind the Iron Curtain, bishops were often commanded to keep it REALLY secret, where nobody knew except the consecrator and consecrand.  Bishop Williamson did keep a couple of his actually secret ... but only for a time.

There are prudential reasons why certain considerations would outweigh some fictional "right" that every busybody gossip on "CathInfo" has to know about certain things.  Yes, if you are impacted, i.e. served by a priest who was ordained by, say, +Vigano ... then absolutely you have a right to know that +Vigano was conditionally consecrated, and I'm sure if that were the case, they would tell you.  But why does Aunt Helen living on Podunk Iowa have ANY "need to know", much less "right" to know?


Re: My thoughts on the SSPX Consecrations
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2026, 04:34:42 PM »
Conditional ordinations and consecrations were always kept secret. Any monkey with a keyboard can find that out.

Considering the fact that there are so many resistance priests putting their sermons online, perhaps Bishop Z might consider changing his mind. 

I find the whole "too busy" thing not very convincing. He already did it in Brazil a few weeks ago. So a few photos aren't going to kill anyone.

Care to share Matthew? Or have you been asked not to explicitly?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: My thoughts on the SSPX Consecrations
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2026, 04:40:28 PM »
... I know just how much "studied Spanish" means, and what it doesn't mean

LOL ... THIS^ , except that he "studied" French, but then there's a third tier of "possesses some knowledge of Spanish" (... from watching "Dora the Explorer" cartoons?)  I don't intend to poke fun at him, but just want to point out the strangeness of this, where it's almost embarrassion, since there's a tension between the old SSPX emphasis on polyglot bishops / superiors, where they feel the need to list the languages, but then are pressed into somehow exaggerating Father's proficiency.

I also STUDIED:  Italian, German, French (took college classes in all 3) ... and, while I imagine I could pick them up quickly largely due to fluently reading Latin ... I could not "get by" in any of those 3.  I went to Rome once and used my "Collins Gem" dictionary here and there (once to interrogate a Swiss guard) ... "dove posso havere biglietti per l'udienza del Santo Padre", and then when my flight to pick up the final leg to Rome was delayed and I ended up in Paris, I said "Je ne parle pas francais" ... and that's been about it, yet I certainly "STUDIED" those languages, 35 years ago in college.

I have been saying this for years, however, that if the Modernists wanted to infiltrate the SSPX ... and there's no doubt but that they have done so, they need only send in a bright young man who fluently speaks 3 languages, and he's guaranteed "Superior" within a few years, provided he's adquately obsequious to the current regime ... which of course they're trained to do.  That has always been well known.  I myself had been tapped to go to Econe for the theology years ... since I knew/know Latin, ancient Greek, (some) Biblical Hebrew, English, Hungarian ... and "studied" French, Italian, and German.  I do also possess some knowledge of Spanish (since I still remeber how to count to "10" in Spanish from having watched "Sesame Street" ... although you can probably butcher a combo of Italian and Latin and come close).  Having heard various horror stories about Econe, however, at least as far as American sensibilities are concerned, I was actually plotting ways to get out of having to go.

Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: My thoughts on the SSPX Consecrations
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2026, 09:44:33 PM »
France (2 bishops) 212 thousand square miles; America (1 bishop) 2.9 million square miles (48 states).  And what are the numbers of trads in America vs. France? None of this stuff makes sense.  1 bishop in America, is this a joke?