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Decem rationes declared:
"Savonarola is among the just in Paradise", so it must be true! :facepalm:

Here's an epiphany: relax. Chill. 

And check out the video posted by St. Louis. Evidently some people who might indeed speak with some authority would agree with me. 
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I only watched a small part of it, but the atheists were tough to listen to because they were just throwing out words (assuming that they were real and proven things), so they were trying to just flood their various spiels with tons of terms, etc. ... but weren't debating the core issues.  That's actually an obnoxious technique that injected itself into High School and College debate, where the tendency of the judges was to award the debate to the person who threw out the MOST stuff.  So you had the phenomenon of speed-talkers winning the debates, and there was never any intellectual engagement between the two sides.  These teams would walk in with literal file cabinets on wheels and would pull out these "evidence" cards, which were just quotes, and the judge awarded each point to the team that produced (i.e. read) the most "evidence" cards for each point, and then the team that won the most points was awarded the debate, and the core intellectual disagreements were lost in the noise.  It got to the point of absurdity.  So the speed-talkers that could rip through the most cards along with the teams that had the biggest file cabinets invariably won, even if they engaged in no rational discussion whatsoever.  In the final rebuttal, teams would go through an outline of the points and say stuff like, "I.A.1 -- we: 4 cards, they 2 cards -- we win that point", and just go through the list.  So I switched over to Lincoln-Douglas debate format, hoping it would be different, and it was a little better, but the same nonsense.  Only difference with Lincoln-Douglas is that you debated by yourself and there were rounds where the topic was unknown ahead of time.  Yet people still found a way to bring in their file cabinets and go in the same direction there.

So in last night's debate, after they rattled off 30 things in two minutes, you would lose the point if you couldn't refute each an every one of them in the time you had.  And it's not possible to do any of it justice.  It was obvious to me that the atheists came from this absurd and sophistic debate background (High School and college debate), as I was in those circles for years before I got sick of it and quit.  What it had turned into was neither enjoyable nor worth my time.  At one point, I was on a team with a single partner, and we both agreed to walk in cold with ZERO evidence cards for any given debate.  We did nothing but argue from either memory or using our brains.  LOL ... we actually won a tournament unexpectedly, much to our surprise, since it appeared that the venue we were at had also become sick of the old "evidence card" speed-reading crap.

So literally this then:


I had a debate class in college, and I vaguely remember it did not operate on that basis, but was more formal.
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DL, I do not understand your abbreviations, EO and ROCOR. What are they?
Sorry, EO is Eastern "Orthodox" and ROCOR is Russian "Orthodox" Church outside Russia
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Politics and World Leaders / Re: Peℓσѕι receives…
« Last post by DigitalLogos on Today at 12:06:12 PM »
You aren’t too sharp.  I hear the religion of peace is taking over Minnesota.  Many are leaving the Catholic Church in Mexico and various parts of South of America for Protestant religion or worse.  Have the decency to mind your business. 
Have the decency to change your profile image to reflect your sinful detraction of others, rather than Our Blessed Mother, who I'm sure weeps over your wretchedness.
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Politics and World Leaders / Re: Peℓσѕι receives…
« Last post by DigitalLogos on Today at 12:03:59 PM »
On top of that, even sodomites have souls created in the image and likeness of God, and they're somebody's children, and they may have gone through traumatic things (a great number were themselves sɛҳuąƖly abused), and we haven't so much as walked an inch in their shoes, and (except for the radical ones who push their agenda) I have a great deal of compassion for them and I pray for them.  When I see them, I am filled with pity rather than contempt.  There but for the grace of God go I.  If that makes me lukewarm on sodomy, then so be it.
Apparently me having the desire to rip every fag flag off of people's porches and burn them on their front lawns makes me lukewarm on sodomites. :clown:

Even the supposedly "extremist" Brs. Peter and Michael Dimond aren't as extreme on sodomites to the point of dehumanizing them, as VCR comes close to doing.
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Politics and World Leaders / Re: Peℓσѕι receives…
« Last post by Viva Cristo Rey on Today at 12:00:57 PM »
OK, at least have the decency to change your username. If the Cristeros acted like you did in 20th century Mexico, there'd be no Catholic Church in Mexico right now
You aren’t too sharp.  I hear the religion of peace is taking over Minnesota.  Many are leaving the Catholic Church in Mexico and various parts of South of America for Protestant religion or worse.  Have the decency to mind your business.   
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God is gifting us with a small understanding of the Agony in the Garden of Our Lord.

10,000 points!
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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: Sorcery in games
« Last post by DigitalLogos on Today at 12:00:07 PM »
Well no, it's not like that. A player announces that this or that model will attempt to cast this or that spell. He then has to roll dice, his opponent may attempt to prevent the attempt by using dice of his own. Once it is resolved whether the spell is "cast", the effects of the spell according to the rules of the game are applied. So for example an enemy unit receives so and so many hits and that results in a certain number of models being removed from the board. Most of the game works like a traditional wargame and the wizards are more of an addition as well as other fantasy elements. Basically it's a huge game of chess but with much more rules and it includes dice so that players have to account for a certain amount of randomness to occur.


Thank you. I played video games in the past but had to cut them out of my life because I simply get horribly addicted when I play them. Since these tabletop games require at least one other player in the real life and some preparation, I spend perhaps one evening per month on them. The time investment is mainly the time which is required to paint the miniatures, but it's a recreative way to relax in the evening and I always listen to audio books (or the Dimonds) while doing so.
Then it sounds to me like you have things well-ordered and needn't worry much about it. It's as you say, like a game of chess. I see nothing wrong in that just because it has the accidents of a fantasy theme. I wouldn't worry yourself too much about it if it isn't affecting your spiritual life.

But that's just my two cents as a layman.

I would talk to your confessor about anything more serious involving it and take what I say with a grain of salt.
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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: Sorcery in games
« Last post by Änσnymσus on Today at 11:49:24 AM »
Do you summon demons or "hidden forces", "the energy", "spirits of nature" "pagan gods" (all of these are demons in disguise) or something similar? or said spells or performed magial procedures while playing this game? or some kind of demonic or pagan ritual?

If you're not doing any of that I don't see what is the sin.

Sorcery is a sin because it involves dealing with demons, whether the sorcerer knows it or not, and we cannot serve God and the Devil. We must choose one of them. Either we serve God, or we serve the Devil, but they aren't compatible.


Well no, it's not like that. A player announces that this or that model will attempt to cast this or that spell. He then has to roll dice, his opponent may attempt to prevent the attempt by using dice of his own. Once it is resolved whether the spell is "cast", the effects of the spell according to the rules of the game are applied. So for example an enemy unit receives so and so many hits and that results in a certain number of models being removed from the board. Most of the game works like a traditional wargame and the wizards are more of an addition as well as other fantasy elements. Basically it's a huge game of chess but with much more rules and it includes dice so that players have to account for a certain amount of randomness to occur.


This would be the only concern I would have. And even then, it's debatable whether just pressing a button that signifies a "spell" on a keyboard or controller even constitutes sorcery. Because we have to remember the legalistic nature of the demonic. Sorcery isn't as simple as having some made-up sigil and pressing an input command. When I play Elden Ring, me pressing an input command to provide a "buff" for my character that is labeled a "spell" or "blessing" in the game isn't genuine sorcery.

It's just fantasy and I would only be concerned about occasions of sin and whether or not this hobby serves as a vice.

I personally still play the occasional video game and when I do I have to ask myself whether the content of the game is an occasion of sin and whether I'm getting "addicted" to it and its turning into a vice which takes away from my duties to my family and God.
We have to keep in mind that any hobby can turn into a vice, even something as benign as woodworking or piano if it isn't properly ordered.

if it's just pressing a button that signifies a "spell" on a keyboard or controller, and the character throws (for example) a fireball it's ok.  for me. But if the character begins to recite a spell or summons a demon, then I would refuse to play or see that. The fireball is fantasy, it has nothing to do with real sorcery, but the other thing is like real sorcery.

On the other hand, most gamers sin against temperance. If you play 2 or 3 hours a week you are not doing anything wrong, but if you play 40 hours a week (as incredible as it may seem there are people who play video games 40 or even more hours a week) and you neglect your obligations then you are sinning.  Personally, I prefer traditional games like table tennis or table football. But when I cannot access them, because there are no people available, there isn't money or you cannot go because we are in quarantine or they ask for Green Pass, then video games are a substitute for me. They are very cheap in terms of cost per hour and can be played at home. But I play 2-3 hours a week, I'm not an ICEL who spends all day playing in his mother's basement, the problem is that this last profile is too common, and that can't be ignored when it comes to talk about this topic.

There are also games that are inherently sinful, like games that contain sɛҳuąƖ immorality or blasphemy.

Violence in games, if I'm not mistaken, is not necessarily a sin because it isn't real violence, nobody is suffering, unless the game recreates it and influences the player to recreate it, in which case they would be sinning due to bad thoughts. For example GTA. But violence like Mario, Zelda, a shooter that doesn't have blood or dismember body parts etc, which the violence is there but the game doesn't recreate it, it's not a sin for the average man.

A problem with video games is that they are very modern, the industry was developed in the 80s. So, just as the cinema became more and more immoral around that time, video games were born when this immorality was becoming more and more common.

At least I understand it that way.

Thank you. I played video games in the past but had to cut them out of my life because I simply get horribly addicted when I play them. Since these tabletop games require at least one other player in the real life and some preparation, I spend perhaps one evening per month on them. The time investment is mainly the time which is required to paint the miniatures, but it's a recreative way to relax in the evening and I always listen to audio books (or the Dimonds) while doing so.
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Funny Stuff for Catholics / Re: Unfunny Stuff
« Last post by Kazimierz on Today at 11:46:08 AM »
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