Author Topic: The Midwife of Vatican II (Read 33525 times)

MaterDominici · « **Reply #325 on:** January 27, 2010, 05:51:30 PM »

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The article definitely points to some good ideas

Like what exactly??

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #326 on:** January 27, 2010, 06:40:47 PM »

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He said that marriage only came after the fall and was not intended for the paradise.

This would seem to be incorrect, especially when you look at the language of Holy Writ -- language which reveals the mystical truths so beautifully reflected in marriage.

CM · « **Reply #327 on:** January 27, 2010, 10:14:01 PM »

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Quote from: CM
The article definitely points to some good ideas

Like what exactly??

Mortification of the senses.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #328 on:** January 28, 2010, 02:26:54 PM »

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Questions-if people should only have sex when woman is fertile to conceive a child, then why did God not make us like cats/dogs, to have sex only when we went into heat?

why make man and woman to have sex when she is not fertile...?? is it not cruel to give us feelings of intimacy outside the "heat" period....?

Belloc, although I agree with you on this, I don't think that your logic is acceptable. Your words can be summerized like this: if we have intimate feelings it is because God wants it, and if God wants something then it is ok to fulfill it.
it is like the islamic way of reasoning that "if he didn't desire to give, He wouldn't give the desire" or the popular saying that" all our desires are in us because He wants to fulfill them."
I have a big objection to this way of reasoning: Who gives "the intimate feelings" (as you call them) to some very young teenages and MR people? and to all those who must not marry? and to those whose spouses are made impotent in war?
CM may (rightly) say that it is because of original sin that people feel love for union when they must not. But someone who is anti-NFP can use the same logic to refute you by saying sth like this: It is because of orginal sin that you want *** when your wife is infertile.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #329 on:** January 29, 2010, 06:27:33 PM »

spouse_of_Jesus said:

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I have a big objection to this way of reasoning: Who gives "the intimate feelings" (as you call them) to some very young teenages and MR people? and to all those who must not marry? and to those whose spouses are made impotent in war?

I think a lot about that. If someone is unable to refrain from sex, and has to use NFP to keep from cheating, then what if their wife becomes unattractive to them? What if she gets in a car wreck and is horribly scarred, ends up in a wheelchair and gets fat? What is going to stop them from cheating then? Using NFP has only stoked their desires and made them more dependent on a steady diet of sex. They have never performed any sɛҳuąƖ "fastings," they have never had to learn to mortify the flesh. They have done zero work at becoming more chaste.