Author Topic: The Midwife of Vatican II (Read 33525 times)

JustCatholic · « **Reply #315 on:** November 15, 2009, 07:30:34 PM »

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This is the sin of Onan in glossy new packaging

Get your mind out of the gutter. This is not the sin of Onan but the making explicit what is implicit in the new understanding of biology. We know when a woman is fertile. There is no need to have intercourse during that time, when there are grave reasons not to. For example, you can only afford a two bedroom apartment. Children all sleep in one. Can't have 15 children. Period. (Pun intended)

JustCatholic · « **Reply #316 on:** November 15, 2009, 07:36:01 PM »

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The theme of Raoul seems in part to be that of Mary Ball Martinez

Yes. She was wrong then, he now. Pius XII was merely continuing to develop Catholic theology as Popes may and do. The trouble with Vatican II is that it got either too near the edges or went over due to the influence of modernism. So we must all pull back together without jumping ship.

Report to battle stations.

roscoe · « **Reply #317 on:** November 15, 2009, 08:19:02 PM »

Has anyone noted the sources of Mrs Martinez? They are top heavy with SSPX--Lefevbre, Williamson etc. I wish someone would explain that but for all my prompting over the past couple of yrs, there has been only silence.

JustCatholic · « **Reply #318 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:57:21 PM »

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Has anyone noted the sources of Mrs Martinez? They are top heavy with SSPX--Lefevbre, Williamson

Yes. I think it is not clear as you say. She clearly goes beyond Lefebvre and Williamson. She should have simply shown the trajectory.

There are, we know, those who not only declare Pius XII an antipope, but almost all after Pius X. I think even Pius X is given the boot by some. It's the weakness of Bellarmine that while he is correct in essence, any crank can use him to find 'heresy' and declare Popes antipopes prior to an official declaration.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #319 on:** January 26, 2010, 11:20:38 PM »

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St. Augustine embellished this in great detail. He DID say that the physical act in itself was evil, but TURNED TOWARDS A GOOD END when it is directed to the begetting of children. This attitude of St. Augustine FORMED Catholicism.

I saw something like that in one of St. Jerome's letters (can be found on newadvent.org) He said that marriage only came after the fall and was not intended for the paradise.
He said that it is not what God loves, but something He allows because of our weakness.
Ever saw his work against Jovinianus?
Now see what I found. The advice to a young bride, written in the victorian era. It is fun:

http://depts.washington.edu/psy210/1894.html