Author Topic: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church? (Read 9884 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:12:39 PM »

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 13, 2020, 02:59:40 PM

I’m curious, what kind of “union” are you inferring that we are to have with your putative pope and ”Novus Ordo” bishop? Why don’t we profess the same faith if we are members of the same church?

THIS^. He's saying we must be in "union" (whatever that means) with our NO bishops but must remain faithful to Traditional doctrine. THAT is at the heart of the problem. We do not have the same doctrine (and worship) as our friendly neighborhood NO bishop. So he's talking about a mere lip-service union, a pretended submission, an almost dare-I-say-it ecuмenical union where you can somehow be united without actually believing the same things and sharing in common worship. To be in TRUE formal union, there must be unity of belief and of worship. So union with Traditional and (true, real) union with the NO bishop are inimical and even outright contradictory ... depending on the bishop.

Immaculatam Hostiam · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:25:23 PM »

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The Sun of the Church's brilliance is hidden behind the moon of corrupt men, who have temporarily blocked its light from shining.

Poor allegory because St. Louis DeMontfort likened Christ as the sun Whose brightness is tempored by Blessed Mary as the moon for sinners who need her guidance, just as a people need the moon's light to trek through darkness because they can't trek by day as they can't endure the powerful rays of the sun, much like the sinner's hideous soul and guilt can't stand the Light of Christ. So Blessed Mary's gentle light, which is the Light of Christ shining through her, leads sinners to grace and salvation, if they heed her motherly guidance.

Yeti · « **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:36:45 PM »

Quote from: Praeter on January 13, 2020, 02:27:06 PM

1) There is one pope and hierarchy over two Churches - the Catholic Church and the Conciliar Church. Therefore, to remain a Catholic, it is necessary to remain in union with the Pope and hierarchy of the Catholic Church, even though the same men are also the Pope and hierarchy of the Conciliar Church.

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So, hypothetically, is it possible to be at the same time the pope of the Catholic Church and the imam of a local mosque? One and the same person?

songbird · « **Reply #33 on:** January 13, 2020, 04:19:09 PM »

One Pope over 2,isn't that laughable?! Define pope, first. Then, say, "he will hate one and love the other." He can not be master of both (Church that Christ founded and Man-made conciliar.

Praeter · « **Reply #34 on:** January 13, 2020, 04:49:26 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on January 13, 2020, 03:36:45 PM

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So, hypothetically, is it possible to be at the same time the pope of the Catholic Church and the imam of a local mosque? One and the same person?

Certainly not. For the same reason it's not possible for a Pope to be the head of the Catholic Church and also the head of another Church called the Conciliar Church. That's why I reject the idea that there's a distinct entity known as the Conciliar Church. I wasn't defending it. I was pointing out the fundamental problems with the two Church theory. Since using the term Conciliar Church conveys to the mind the idea of a distinct entity, or Church, I believe the use of that phrase is itself problematic, regardless of how someone understands it.

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