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Re: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church?
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2020, 04:56:15 PM »
 

Poor allegory because St. Louis DeMontfort likened Christ as the sun Whose brightness is tempored by Blessed Mary as the moon for sinners who need her guidance, just as a people need the moon's light to trek through darkness because they can't trek by day as they can't endure the powerful rays of the sun, much like the sinner's hideous soul and guilt can't stand the Light of Christ. So Blessed Mary's gentle light, which is the Light of Christ shining through her, leads sinners to grace and salvation, if they heed her motherly guidance.
The sun and moon are used allegorically in many different ways by the saints and mystics.  

Re: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church?
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2020, 05:21:48 PM »
THIS^.  He's saying we must be in "union" (whatever that means) with our NO bishops but must remain faithful to Traditional doctrine.  THAT is at the heart of the problem.  We do not have the same doctrine (and worship) as our friendly neighborhood NO bishop.  
One of the unintended consequences of being a schismatic is a false comprehension ecclesiastical of reality.  I know because I used to have the same erroneous mindset.  You imagine that everyone in the "Conciliar Church" is a modernist heretic, and think refusal to be in union with the Church is a mark of orthodoxy.  Nothing could be further from the truth.   

What showed me that the mindset is false is experiential knowledge. Without that, I would probably be as blind as you are to the reality.


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Re: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church?
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2020, 05:27:04 PM »
One of the unintended consequences of being a schismatic is a false comprehension ecclesiastical of reality.  I know because I used to have the same erroneous mindset.  You imagine that everyone in the "Conciliar Church" is a modernist heretic, and think refusal to be in union with the Church is a mark of orthodoxy.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  

What showed me that the mindset is false is experiential knowledge. Without that, I would probably be as blind as you are to the reality.

False straw man.  I have repeatedly stated the contrary, that there are undoubtedly many good Catholics in material error only in the Novus Ordo.  I even believe that there are some hierarchs who too are in material error only and therefore legitimately exercise jurisdiction.  Just check my posting history.  You made this allegation up out of thin air.  Not everyone is a radical dogmatic sedevacantist like you appear to have been.  Evidently you swung from one extreme back to the other extreme, unable to find the appropriate distinctions to prevent your pendulum swing.

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Re: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church?
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2020, 05:37:13 PM »
One of the unintended consequences of being a schismatic is a false comprehension ecclesiastical of reality.  I know because I used to have the same erroneous mindset.  You imagine that everyone in the "Conciliar Church" is a modernist heretic, and think refusal to be in union with the Church is a mark of orthodoxy.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  

What showed me that the mindset is false is experiential knowledge. Without that, I would probably be as blind as you are to the reality.
Really??? Did you read my post? 

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Re: Responses to the Crisis: Conciliar Church = Catholic Church?
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2020, 05:38:21 PM »
False straw man.  I have repeatedly stated the contrary, that there are undoubtedly many good Catholics in material error only in the Novus Ordo.  I even believe that there are some hierarchs who too are in material error only and therefore legitimately exercise jurisdiction.  Just check my posting history.  You made this allegation up out of thin air.  Not everyone is a radical dogmatic sedevacantist like you appear to have been.  Evidently you swung from one extreme back to the other extreme, unable to find the appropriate distinctions to prevent your pendulum swing.
👍 It appears that he’s not a good reader.