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Author Topic: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism  (Read 6654 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #140 on: May 27, 2026, 11:45:13 AM »
You have been corrected. I have nothing else to say.

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Glad you are done, always remember the words of the pope and you will have hope of being cured of your dogmatic sedeism:
 
"The Roman Pontiff, who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fullness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith."

Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #141 on: May 27, 2026, 11:54:06 AM »
In the Abu Dhabi declaration "The Church" infallibly declared to be in partial communion with members of false religions.

If you are in communion with those how can you be Catholic?
You’re just using the word “communion” to your own benefit.  History has examples where there were 3 popes and saints on all sides.  God does not require us to mind-read or be experts in theology to save our souls.  IT IS SUFFICIENT FOR CATHOLICS TO HOLD AND PRACTICE THE TRUE RITES TO BE SAVED.  It is not a requirement to have the perfect opinion on the papal status.  History proves this. 


Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #142 on: May 27, 2026, 12:21:18 PM »
You’re just using the word “communion” to your own benefit.  History has examples where there were 3 popes and saints on all sides.  God does not require us to mind-read or be experts in theology to save our souls.  IT IS SUFFICIENT FOR CATHOLICS TO HOLD AND PRACTICE THE TRUE RITES TO BE SAVED.  It is not a requirement to have the perfect opinion on the papal status.  History proves this.
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You say that as if I didn't agree with you.

I do not expect all Catholics to know about subtle theological points. To do so would be both injust and against reason.
You need not worry about whether God would send people to hell because they don't get a subtle theological point. He won't. God's Justice isn't some idiotic algorithm who'll assign people to heaven or hell arbitrarily.

On the other hand, on this forum we are debating theology. If you do not want to take a position, it is perfectly fine and God will not send you to hell for that reason.
On the other hand I studied the question and I do take a position on the subject. Your refusal to answer the substance of my arguments is faulty.

I am not making an argument trying to see who goes to heaven or to hell. I am trying to better understand and to help others understand better the current situation we are in.

Those who prefer to stay ignorant , stop wasting my time. 



Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #143 on: May 27, 2026, 12:47:49 PM »
:facepalm:

You say that as if I didn't agree with you.

I do not expect all Catholics to know about subtle theological points. To do so would be both injust and against reason.
You need not worry about whether God would send people to hell because they don't get a subtle theological point. He won't. God's Justice isn't some idiotic algorithm who'll assign people to heaven or hell arbitrarily.

On the other hand, on this forum we are debating theology. If you do not want to take a position, it is perfectly fine and God will not send you to hell for that reason.
On the other hand I studied the question and I do take a position on the subject. Your refusal to answer the substance of my arguments is faulty.

I am not making an argument trying to see who goes to heaven or to hell. I am trying to better understand and to help others understand better the current situation we are in.

Those who prefer to stay ignorant , stop wasting my time.
What you just wrote above, is in direct contradiction to your question of being “in communion with” a heretic pope.  When you mention communion, you are implying that R&R persons are somehow morally culpable.  So for you to say that God doesn’t send people to hell for an R&R view, but then you imply a moral culpability with new-Rome's heresies, makes no sense.  

Thats why you were trying to revise history and somehow show that St Athanasius wasn’t excommunicated by a true pope (he was) and wasn’t disobedient to a true pope (he was).

Re: O.L. Jesus Christ does not make things complicated - Sedevacantism
« Reply #144 on: May 27, 2026, 12:54:54 PM »
Did you read Pope Paul IV's instructions telling us what we are to do about a heretic pope? I posted it above just for you. It is contrary to your opinion I know, but if you obeyed that teaching of the Church, you would cure yourself of your dogmatic sedeism. There is no good reason to disobey him as you are doing.   
Our current circuмstances can not be compared to and reduced to just a heretical Pope but rather an entire new order (novus ordo) religion.  New "Mass", "saints", sacraments, doctrine, at every level on a global level.  This is a counterfeit religion of man and is NOT the Catholic Church.