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Author Topic: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent  (Read 24004 times)

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2018, 11:05:11 AM »
Canon 1239 § 2
Catechumeni qui nulla sua culpa sine baptismo moriantur, baptizatis accensendi sunt.
Catechumens who, through no fault of their own, die without Baptism, are to be treated as baptized.

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2018, 11:08:58 AM »
Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa, Article 1, Part III, Q. 68:
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  "I answer that, the sacrament of Baptism may be wanting to someone in two ways. First, both in reality and in desire; as is the case with those who neither are baptized, nor wished to be baptized: which clearly indicates contempt of the sacrament, in regard to those who have the use of the free will. Consequently those to whom Baptism is wanting thus, cannot obtain salvation: since neither sacramentally nor mentally are they incorporated in Christ, through Whom alone can salvation be obtained.
    "Secondly, the sacrament of Baptism may be wanting to anyone in reality but not in desire: for instance, when a man wishes to be baptized, but by some ill-chance he is forestalled by death before receiving Baptism. And such a man can obtain salvation without being actually baptized, on account of his desire for Baptism, which desire is the outcome of faith that worketh by charity, whereby God, Whose power is not yet tied to visible sacraments, sanctifies man inwardly. Hence Ambrose says of Valentinian, who died while yet a catechumen: 'I lost him whom I was to regenerate: but he did not lose the graces he prayed for.' "



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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2018, 11:32:38 AM »
Canon 1239 § 2
Catechumeni qui nulla sua culpa sine baptismo moriantur, baptizatis accensendi sunt.
Catechumens who, through no fault of their own, die without Baptism, are to be treated as baptized.


AGAIN, read the ENTIRE thing.  Cf. my previous post.

All this is saying, injunction with the § 1 is that "Only the baptized and catechumens can receive Catholic burial.".

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2018, 11:34:07 AM »
Interestingly, there are a growing number of Catholics (including Pfeifferites) who believe that the character IS received in bod.  That original sin IS remitted, as well as the reception of justification.

Well, that's a new one.  Do you have any sources?  If they actually hold this, they're flying in the face of St. Alphonsus and all BoD theorists before them.

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2018, 11:35:25 AM »
Canon 1239 § 2
Catechumeni qui nulla sua culpa sine baptismo moriantur, baptizatis accensendi sunt.
Catechumens who, through no fault of their own, die without Baptism, are to be treated as baptized.
"Catechumens are treated as if baptized, if they remained unbaptized through no fault of their own.  This does not include infants, but refers rather to would-be converts, persons under instruction or who had indicated a positive desire to begin instruction for reception into the Church." - CANON LAW, A Text and Commentary, by Fathers T. Lincoln Bouscaren, S.J., and Adam C. Ellis, S.J.