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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2018, 11:37:00 AM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 29, 2018, 11:35:25 AM
"Catechumens are treated as if baptized, if they remained unbaptized through no fault of their own.  This does not include infants, but refers rather to would-be converts, persons under instruction or who had indicated a positive desire to begin instruction for reception into the Church." - CANON LAW, A Text and Commentary, by Fathers T. Lincoln Bouscaren, S.J., and Adam C. Ellis, S.J.

Are you dense or just bad willed?

They are to be treated as baptized IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CANON.  You always omit § 1.
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Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2018, 11:47:22 AM »
"470 - II. Baptism of water is necessary for the attainment of salvation as an indispensable means for reaching that end. Only in exceptional cases can it be substituted by the Baptism of desire or of blood" - MORAL THEOLOGY, by Rev. Heribert Jone, O. F. M. CAP., J. C. D., and Rev. Urban Adelman, O.F. M. CAP., J. C. D.
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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2018, 12:03:14 PM »
"157. Q. How many kinds of Baptism are there? A. There are three kinds of Baptism: Baptism of water, of desire, and of blood.
 The Catechism must not be misunderstood as hereby meaning that of these three one is as good as the other to the soul. It means that in certain circuмstances the baptisms of desire and of blood cause in the soul the chief effects for which the Sacrament of Baptism was instituted, viz.: the infusion of sanctifying grace.  On account of this effect they have been called Baptism, although the name, in its exact meaning, does not apply to them.  There is only one Sacrament of Baptism, and that is the baptism of water; baptism of desire and baptism of blood do not contain what constitutes the essence of a Sacrament." - CATHOLIC THEOLOGY or THE CATECHISM EXPLAINED, by Rev D. I. Lanslots, O.S.B.
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Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2018, 12:34:20 PM »
To the original poster Mega-fin - Does what I provided help with your question?

To Ladislaus - When you say, "Are you dense or just bad willed?", this is a calumny, defined as "1. a false and malicious statement designed to injure the reputation of someone or something. 2. the act of uttering calumnies; slander; defamation."  It is uncharitable.
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Offline happenby

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2018, 02:07:23 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 29, 2018, 11:34:07 AM
Well, that's a new one.  Do you have any sources?  If they actually hold this, they're flying in the face of St. Alphonsus and all BoD theorists before them.
Fr. Pfeiffer recently said it, and even tried to back it up.  Bod is an "aspect of Baptism" now, and the most recent modifying term, in addition to rez and voto, and all the rest of his fluminus flaminus.   
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