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Offline Maillot Jaune

Re: Conditional Confirmation
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2019, 12:44:49 PM »
I was confirmed in 1986. The bishop was Novus Ordo, but he was ordained a priest and conferred the episcopacy in the Old Rite before 1969. Is my confirmation doubtful?
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Offline Mega-fin

Re: Conditional Confirmation
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2019, 03:36:07 PM »
Quote from: Maillot Jaune on May 04, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
I was confirmed in 1986. The bishop was Novus Ordo, but he was ordained a priest and conferred the episcopacy in the Old Rite before 1969. Is my confirmation doubtful?
Yes because the matter, form and intention were all performed in the New Rites. Any old oil could have been used with words the bishop could’ve made up on the spot. Which means doubt. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Conditional Confirmation
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2019, 05:14:39 PM »
Quote from: Mega-fin on May 04, 2019, 03:36:07 PM
Yes because the matter, form and intention were all performed in the New Rites. Any old oil could have been used with words the bishop could’ve made up on the spot. Which means doubt.

Agreed ... the validity concern isn't just a question regarding the validity of the minister.  It's about the matter and form.  With appropriate jurisdiction, even a priest can confer the Sacrament of Confirmation (they do so regularly in the Eastern Rites).

I know of one bishop who regularly just said "become a soldier of Christ" while anointing the oil.
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Offline Mega-fin

Re: Conditional Confirmation
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2019, 06:03:44 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 04, 2019, 05:14:39 PM
I know of one bishop who regularly just said "become a soldier of Christ" while anointing the oil.
I thought they wouldn’t like the whole “soldier” language ... I figured that would have been thrown out with the rest of it!
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Offline Maillot Jaune

Re: Conditional Confirmation
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2019, 07:08:19 PM »
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Yes because the matter, form and intention were all performed in the New Rites. Any old oil could have been used with words the bishop could’ve made up on the spot. Which means doubt.

But not positive doubt. Only a speculative "what if" doubt.
To worry about it is along the lines of being scrupulous. I'm not worried about it. I did my part in getting confirmed. I put my heart into it as a kid. I studied the saints' lives and I carefully chose my patron saint. I knew confirmation was a special day for me, even while preparing and studying for it. I didn't merely go through the motions like most teenagers do when getting confirmed. I knew the significance of it. I also remember Blessed Virgin Mary being very important to me that day and my knowledge of her significance grew from that point.
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