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Offline Your Friend Colin

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Conditional Confirmation
« on: May 02, 2019, 11:37:51 AM »
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  • I spoke with a Society priest and he said it would be a good idea to investigate my Novus Ordo Confirmation. Bishop Fellay is going to be here in August to do Confirmations. Should I pursue a conditional Confirmation with Bishop Fellay?
    Humble thy spirit very much: for the vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and worms. - Ecclesiasticus 7:18

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #1 on: May 02, 2019, 12:08:49 PM »
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  • I spoke with a Society priest and he said it would be a good idea to investigate my Novus Ordo Confirmation. Bishop Fellay is going to be here in August to do Confirmations. Should I pursue a conditional Confirmation with Bishop Fellay?
    Sounds like a heaven sent opportunity. By all means, investigate and if after investigating there is doubt, ask if you can be conditionally confirmed by +Fellay.

    Just be sure SSPX / +Fellay knows it's a conditional confirmation as that is something you need to be sure that the bishop knows before hand.
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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #2 on: May 02, 2019, 12:12:01 PM »
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  • I would ask to have it done regardless.  You may never get to the truth of it.  Who can remember what form the bishop used (they like to play with this one)?, and for a while they were using doubtful substitute oils instead of olive oil.  Given that these are pervasive practices in the Novus Ordo, this rises to the level of positive doubt, and I would get it done regardless.  What are you going to do, interview witnesses who can testify to the exact form used by the Bishop ... and contact the diocese to make sure they were only using Olive Oil?

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #3 on: May 02, 2019, 12:17:06 PM »
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  • Sounds like a heaven sent opportunity. By all means, investigate and if after investigating there is doubt, ask if you can be conditionally confirmed by +Fellay.

    Just be sure SSPX / +Fellay knows it's a conditional confirmation as that is something you need to be sure that the bishop knows before hand.
    Thanks, Stubborn.
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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #4 on: May 02, 2019, 12:19:05 PM »
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  • I would ask to have it done regardless.  You may never get to the truth of it.  Who can remember what form the bishop used (they like to play with this one)?, and for a while they were using doubtful substitute oils instead of olive oil.  Given that these are pervasive practices in the Novus Ordo, this rises to the level of positive doubt, and I would get it done regardless.  What are you going to do, interview witnesses who can testify to the exact form used by the Bishop ... and contact the diocese to make sure they were only using Olive Oil?
    Hah! I was thinking about contacting Archbishop Chaput about whether or not he used genuine olive oil. 1) He might not remember 2) I probably won't get a response. Regardless of whether he did use the proper matter, the form of the sacrament is still dubious.
    Thanks, Lad.
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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #5 on: May 02, 2019, 01:22:13 PM »
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  • Hah! I was thinking about contacting Archbishop Chaput about whether or not he used genuine olive oil. 1) He might not remember 2) I probably won't get a response. Regardless of whether he did use the proper matter, the form of the sacrament is still dubious.
    Thanks, Lad.

    I asked Bishop Williamson to conditionally confirm me right before I entered the Seminary ... without having done ANY investigation whatsoever, and His Excellency was happy to oblige.

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #6 on: May 02, 2019, 02:00:55 PM »
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  • Request it regardless, it’s too important to leave to chance. The sacrament of Confirmation is especially important in today’s apostasy

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #7 on: May 02, 2019, 05:00:44 PM »
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  • I asked Bishop Williamson to conditionally confirm me right before I entered the Seminary ... without having done ANY investigation whatsoever, and His Excellency was happy to oblige.
    At the seminary, when the subject came up, I left it completely to their discretion. I stated simply and factually the circumstances of my Confirmation (the local Novus Ordo Bishop, using the old Rite in Latin, under auspices of Institute of Christ the King) and they decided to have me conditionally confirmed by +Williamson.
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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #8 on: May 02, 2019, 06:29:31 PM »
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  • At the seminary, when the subject came up, I left it completely to their discretion. I stated simply and factually the circumstances of my Confirmation (the local Novus Ordo Bishop, using the old Rite in Latin, under auspices of Institute of Christ the King) and they decided to have me conditionally confirmed by +Williamson.

    I wasn't technically AT the seminary YET (so I compressed and simplified what I wrote) ... it was in the month of May BEFORE I entered.  I had already communicated my intention to enter in the Fall.  +Williamson was doing confirmations at the SSPX chapel I was attending (at college in Chicago), and I asked him, and he did it without questions.

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #9 on: May 02, 2019, 06:39:21 PM »
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  • Surprised the SSPX is still doing conditional confirmations these days.

    I would agree with Ladislaus: Better to get it done while you have the chance.

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #10 on: May 02, 2019, 06:48:25 PM »
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  • I can't say this as an absolute, but around the time of leaving the FSSP, I was looking to be conditionally Confirmed and had contacted the SSPX- they were not addressing conditional Confirmations any longer ( or at least not at that time) I was unable to get further information. I was getting Bishop Williamson's newsletter and  read that he would be in the States shortly for Confirmations. I made arrangements to be there and from then on have been aligned with the "Resistance". I was conditionally Confirmed 45 years after my Novus Ordo Confirmation.
    Might it be that the SSPX does not want to intimate that there might be anything wrong or lacking with the Novus Ordo Sacrament(s)?


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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #11 on: May 02, 2019, 08:59:51 PM »
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  • Even if your Novus Ordo confirmation was done within the last 10 years, +Fellay will probably be fine it.

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #12 on: May 03, 2019, 08:15:46 AM »
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  • Might it be that the SSPX does not want to intimate that there might be anything wrong or lacking with the Novus Ordo Sacrament(s)?

    Exactly right.

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #14 on: May 03, 2019, 08:23:22 AM »
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  • I spoke with a Society priest and he said it would be a good idea to investigate my Novus Ordo Confirmation. Bishop Fellay is going to be here in August to do Confirmations. Should I pursue a conditional Confirmation with Bishop Fellay?
    No, you should not.  Ask your Bishop.

     

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