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Offline Maillot Jaune

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Re: Conditional Confirmation
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2019, 08:01:07 PM »
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    While that's great, your personal dispositions have nothing to do with receiving the effects of the Sacrament, which are confirmed ex opere operato. There's no such thing as "Confirmation of Desire".
    Yes, I know. All that matters for salvation is water baptism living the teachings of Jesus Christ (including faith in Him and being free from mortal sin upon death).
    Even if my confirmation wasn't valid due to corruption of matter or form by the conferring Bishop, it's not an impediment to my soul reaching Heaven. So many people who have recieved the sacrament of confirmation are still hellbound. A person who only recieves water baptism can make it to Heaven before any person receiving confirmation, if the former dies in the state of grace while the latter dies in mortal sin.
    A cowspiracy among femtrads permeates the forum, and soytrads are oblivious.

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    Re: Conditional Confirmation
    « Reply #31 on: May 04, 2019, 11:30:39 PM »
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  • While that's great, your personal dispositions have nothing to do with receiving the effects of the Sacrament, which are confirmed ex opere operato.

    Actually, this is completely false:

    While the sacrament is produced ex opere operato, it's effect is received ex opere operantis, according to the disposition of the subject.

    So, for example, if a soul is in mortal sin, the grace of the sacrament is not efficacious in that soul (not because the grace was not produced and transmitted by the confection and reception of the sacrament, but because the ill disposition of the subject did not permit that grace to become efficacious).

    Like pouring water into an open, or covered, vessel:

    The good disposition will efficaciously receive the grace (open vessel), while the ill-disposed soul will have erected an obex gratiae over his soul (covered vessel), such that the grace cannot penetrate it.


     

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