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Author Topic: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)  (Read 2425 times)

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Offline Meg

Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2026, 08:39:39 AM »
It's okay. It was clear if one reads carefully. I think I fell prey to the "reading too fast, skimming on the internet". I prefer to read things on paper which is why I print a lot of articles if I think they are worth a read, and especially if they come from priests. If you go back and read older posts by "StonewallCatho" where he prints with permission writing of Fr. Girouad, everything makes a lot of sense. It's very eye opening, whereas a lot of other articles coming out these days serve to confuse the mind.

I don't agree. It should have been made clear in the OP, but it wasn't, and it caused confusion. And, if I'm not mistaken, StonewallCatho is a sedevacantist, so he's likely going to take the issue farther than it should be taken. 

I too agree with Fr. Girouard, but Fr. Girouard is not a sedevacantist. 

Offline DirigeNos

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2026, 08:53:07 AM »
Since I'm in the book "Spiritual Journey" by Lefebvre, I thought it appropriate to quote more relevant passages:

[Remember, he wrote these things in 1989 and things have only gotten worse since then. I think the Archbishop would weep if he could see how the transvestites & sodomites are now openly in the church. He would say "certainly the antiChrist and end times are near". "God's justice cannot be withheld further." He would weep if he could see his society still dialoguing with such persons. Appearing in photos grinning together with characters such as Fernandez.]

I quote the Archbishop:

Prologue viii "...we must not be afraid to affirm that the current Roman authorities, since John XXIII and Paul VI, have made themselves active collaborators with Jєωιѕн Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and world socialism. John Paul II is above all a communist-loving politician at the service of a world communism retaining a hint of religion. He openly attacks all of the anti-communist governments, and does not bring, by his travels, any Catholic revival."  

(I wonder if, in the new edition of this book if they have scrubbed the prologue out? I'd buy it just to see.)

pg. 13 "Vatican II's desire to integrate into the Church non-Catholics, such as they are, is a scandalous and adulterous desire. The Secretariat for the Unity of Christians by favoring the granting of mutual concessions - dialogue - leads to the destruction of the Catholic Faith, the destruction of the Catholic priesthood, and the elimination of the power of Peter and of the bishops. The missionary spirit of the apostles, the martyrs and the saints is eliminated. For as long as the Secretariat keeps the false ecuмenism as its orientation and Roman ecclesiastical authorities approve it, we can affirm that they remain in open, official rupture with all the past of the Church and with its official Magisterium. It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the Tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith."

pg. 18 "The devils are very intelligent and deceitful. They excite curiosity... suggesting, at first acts which are generally good, so as to bring about bad acts when they dominate wills. We must then refuse all dialogue; it is in such a way that Satan perverted Eve, who accepted his dialogue."


Offline DirigeNos

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2026, 09:07:14 AM »
I don't agree. It should have been made clear in the OP, but it wasn't, and it caused confusion. And, if I'm not mistaken, StonewallCatho is a sedevacantist, so he's likely going to take the issue farther than it should be taken.

I too agree with Fr. Girouard, but Fr. Girouard is not a sedevacantist.

Good point. I am not a sedevacantist either though I have considered the position. I think that all that is missing is a Catholic council to convene and the material heretic popes would be officially deposed as heretics. But, it is a hard pill to swallow, that we could have a pope who is really a pope who is so bad, and that such a large part of the church could be infiltrated. Without getting that debate started on this thread, I think we find ourselves in the great apostasy that Our Lady predicted (likely the true 3rd secret of Fatima) that the churchmen & pope would have apostatized. That Rome itself could become the seat of the antiChrist.   

I think that the SSPX is so afraid of even hinting at sedevacantism that they will not adopt any line of thinking that even whiffs of it. They dont even want to whiff of disobedience, but they are hypocritical because you must oppose the modern false churchmen or you begin to join them. The results is that the SSPX will not condemn the errors anymore. I think there is a prudent path without crossing the line into sedevacantism, as it seems that Fr. Girouad is at, and many other resistance priests. Archbishop Lefebvre seemed to have found the prudent path, though it was not without struggle and a little bit of back and forth on particular questions and challenges. 

If these holy priests and saintly men like the Archbishop find themselves tossed by the waves in this crisis and there is confusion even among them, how could we propose to have all the answers? We have to pray for prudence and discernment, and admit that we don't have it all figured out. We don't know how God' providential plan will unfold into the future. We just know that we have to live as Catholics and avoid false shepherds. Pray to Our Lady of Good Counsel.

Offline Twice dyed

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2026, 09:24:10 AM »
"....

Conclusion 3:
They probably hope the spirit of Synodality and Ecuмenism will incline the Pope towards dialogue and clemency. In fact, now they have been declared to be a schismatic sect, they will probably get under the jurisdiction and scope of the Dicastery for Christian Unity. Thus they may have a better chance to meet the Pope!

THEREFORE: WE STILL NEED THE RESISTANCE BISHOPS AND PRIESTS AND FAITHFUL TO CONTINUE THE GOOD FIGHT!
Great...this is like news in "Real Time". You must have read Cardinal Koch German interview!?  He's is "reeling" about the Exco.  haha. Seriously though, you are probably correct, that the neoSSPX will still work for a "Deal".


https://lesalonbeige.fr/le-cardinal-koch-juge-que-le-debat-suscite-par-la-fsspx-devrait-conduire-leglise-a-reexaminer-certaines-interpretations-postconciliaires/
French article -  Just use the Translate page feature in  ... (Open Application Menu) Google/Firefox etc.

"...Cardinal Kurt Koch, Prefect of the Dicastery for the Promotion of Christian Unity, has been convinced that it will still be possible to reopen dialogue with the Society founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. In the final episode of the podcast of the German magazine Communio, the Swiss prelate said that an excommunication aims to invite repentance and promote the return to full ecclesial communion. That is why he expressed the hope that in the future the conversations could resume “so that they can find their way back to the Catholic Church.”

...The prefect of the ecuмenical dicastery argued that the debate over the SSPX should lead the Church to re-examine some post-conciliar interpretations. In this sense, he affirmed that it would be appropriate to “strike the chest” and to ask what aspects require a correction in order to be able to demonstrate that many of the problems denounced by the Fraternity do not come from the conciliar docuмents, but from certain tendencies..."

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The neoSSPX doesn't know/realize/refuses to admit it is betraying + Lefebvre, as to where the essential conflict originates...Doctrine.
Oh!-SSPX! Please wake up!!



Offline Everlast22

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2026, 09:32:31 AM »
Non-dogmatic sede is the position that makes most sense to me. 

Not sure why there is a need for fence riding with public heretics where nothing is in question at this point.