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And how do you explain priests ordained in the Novus Ordo within the SSPX administering doubtful sacraments to the faithful? In that case, it does seem that they have mixed water with oil.

I don't agree. It should have been made clear in the OP, but it wasn't, and it caused confusion. And, if I'm not mistaken, StonewallCatho is a sedevacantist, so he's likely going to take the issue farther than it should be taken.

I too agree with Fr. Girouard, but Fr. Girouard is not a sedevacantist.

Dear Meg, 

1- As I said: It is a small space available for a title, and I wanted to put Fr. Girouard's name there, and still be able to encapsulate the final conclusion, which is the validity of the excommunications, because the Neo-SSPX claims they are invalid. I agree with you this title is not perfect. On the other hand, I think it helped viewers to want to know more about what Fr. Girouard meant. Once they clicked and opened the post, I made it clear it was valid in the framework of the Conciliar Church, just like Father said in the video. Actually, my title reflected Fr. Girouard's opening statement in the video.

2- You are right, Fr. Girouard is not sedevacantist. He prays for the Pope and the local bishop at every Mass. I agree with him. He says what we see now with the Pope is the fulfillment of St. Paul's prophecy about the "Mystery of Iniquity". 

3- Apb Lefebvre was well aware of the Sede thesis. He has a conference at Écône where he says he got a book from Fr. Noël Barbara promoting Sedevacantism (in the 1970s). Fr. Barbara wanted Abp Lefebvre to write the preface of his book. The Archbishop said it was well docuмented, but it went too far in the conclusion Paul VI was not Pope, and he refused to preface it. That is when the sede movement turned against the Abp. They had wanted him to start a separate church. The Abp said he didn't have the knowledge nor the authority to settle the question, and this could only be done legitimately by a General Council or by a subsequent Pope.

4- To all people asking Fr. Girouard about sedevacantism, he always replies with that same story and says "If the Archbishop, who was a Doctor in Theology and Philosophy, and a Saint to boot, thought he was not able to decide this question, who am I to decide it?" I totally agree with Fr. Girouard. The problem with sedevacantists, is they don't like Mysteries. They want to have a clear-cut solution. They want to know.

6- Fr. Girouard's position about the Pope is this: Whether the Pope is Pope in the supernatural sense is a Mystery, and only God knows for sure. On the natural level of factual reality that we can see, there is a man (Robert Prevost) who was elected Pope in a Conclave, and who now has, in actual reality, all the levers of command of the apparatus of the Church. Nobody else in the world is able to do the things Popes do, like naming bishops, declaring a Jubilee year, etc. He is the only man in white cassock in the world who can buy and sell church property. And so forth and so on.

The Mystery of Iniquity, I think, along with Fr. Girouard, is the fact that the same man (Leo XIV) is at the same time the Pope of two Churches: The Catholic Church, (with all the traditional laws, doctrine, books, liturgy, etc), and the Conciliar Church (with all its new laws, doctrine, books, liturgy, etc.). Whenever he would do something traditional, he would act as Pope of the Catholic Church. Whenever he does something in the line of the Modern Popes, he acts as the Pope of the Conciliar Church.

Unfortunately, since he is Pope within the framework of the completely new organization called the Conciliar Church, we can say he is the Pope of the Conciliar Church in a permanent and substantial way, and he only exceptionally acts as Catholic Pope in some particular actions.

For instance: Pope JPII was, in a permanent and substantial way, a Pope of the Conciliar Church. However, when he used the charism of infallibility to declare, in two docuмents, that the embryo was a true human being, and that women cannot become Priests, he was still the permanent head of the Conciliar Church but, in these two acts, he acted as Pope of the Catholic Church.

That is what Fr. Girouard calls the Mystery of Iniquity.

more quotes from Card. Koch:

https://novusordowatch.org/2026/07/cardinal-koch-no-salvation-outside-church-eens/
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Novus Ordo Watch discusses the :"also finds other ways for people to attain salvation who".
This high ranking prelate is promoting false ecuмenism.
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Although I don't agree with N.O.Watch's sedevacantism,  I reckon they have a wonderful network of people sending them pictures of scandalous ceremonies, and news of egregious statements, etc. I visit the site almost daily.

About Cardinal Koch's quote: "But we already have the fundamental conviction in Holy Scripture, and then also in Tradition, that God wills the salvation of all people [cf. 1 Tim 2:4] and that He then also finds other ways for people to attain salvation who have never come into alignment with the Gospel of Jesus Christ". 

I have four remarks:

1- This quote to Timothy was done by St. Paul to contradict the J$ws' claim that salvation was promised to them only. St. Paul meant that the Church is the means of salvation offered to every human being of good will in the world. 

2- For those people who have never heard of the Church and of Our Lord (etc.), but who are of good will, it is the traditional teaching that God knows their hearts, and He will send somebody to teach them the Truth and, if needs be, He will send them and Angel. God will do that to those He foreknows will accept such teachings. Once they have accepted these teachings, and desire Baptism and have a perfect contrition, and love God above everything, God, if He foresees they will not have a chance to have a Baptism of Water, can purify their souls directly: It is a Baptism of Desire. These people then belong to the Soul of the Church, because they were not able to enter the Body of the Church by a Baptism of Water. God is almighty, and He is not limited in His power by the Laws He himself made. As the Supreme Legislator, He can make exceptions to the Laws He made. After His death, Christ went to the Limbo of the Fathers, where the saints of the Old Testament were detained, and He instructed them Himself about actual Redemption and the Church, and they were purified and became members of the Catholic Church by their Baptism of Desire. They could not receive a Baptism of Water, because there was no water there, and because they were souls separated from their bodies.

3- Yes, Cardinal Koch echoes the False Ecuмenism of Vatican II, which has destroyed the Missionary spirit. Indeed, even if some elements of Truth can be found in the teachings of false Religions and Philosophies, no one can be saved by any other means than the Catholic Church. Other "religions" and sects, far from being means of salvation, are means of damnation used by the Devil, who wants to keep them away from the Church. In fact, the Devil will allow some truths in these groups, only as a means to better deceive people. The same principle applies to Schismatic sects that have kept valid sacraments. The devil is using what is good in them, only to fool better their members and keep them away from the Catholic Church.

4- An infant that does not have the use of reason, and that is validly baptized in a heretical and/or schismatic sect, is purified from Original Sin ad is in the State of Grace, and is belonging to the Catholic Church by virtue of his valid Baptism. In other words: As a validly baptized child without reason, he materially belongs to a sect, but he formally belongs to the Catholic Church. However, as soon as he gets the use of reason, he has the moral obligation to reject the Heresy and/or the Schism of his family and religious group. If he is culpably negligent in finding out the truth and rejecting error, then he leaves the Catholic Church and formally joins the sect he was born in. He becomes materially and formally a member of a sect, and he falls into mortal sin, and cannot be saved by belonging to that sect. If he converts and rejects his sect to re-join the Catholic Church, he would not have to be baptized again, because his first Baptism was valid. He would then be not only formally, but also materially, a member of the Catholic Church.

In conclusion: The Truth is: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. And I will add with Tradition: The number of the Elects is very small.