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Offline Soubirous

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2026, 11:54:27 AM »
Since I'm in the book "Spiritual Journey" by Lefebvre, I thought it appropriate to quote more relevant passages:

[Remember, he wrote these things in 1989 and things have only gotten worse since then. I think the Archbishop would weep if he could see how the transvestites & sodomites are now openly in the church. He would say "certainly the antiChrist and end times are near". "God's justice cannot be withheld further." He would weep if he could see his society still dialoguing with such persons. Appearing in photos grinning together with characters such as Fernandez.]

I quote the Archbishop:

Prologue viii "...we must not be afraid to affirm that the current Roman authorities, since John XXIII and Paul VI, have made themselves active collaborators with Jєωιѕн Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and world socialism. John Paul II is above all a communist-loving politician at the service of a world communism retaining a hint of religion. He openly attacks all of the anti-communist governments, and does not bring, by his travels, any Catholic revival." 

(I wonder if, in the new edition of this book if they have scrubbed the prologue out? I'd buy it just to see.)

pg. 13 "Vatican II's desire to integrate into the Church non-Catholics, such as they are, is a scandalous and adulterous desire. The Secretariat for the Unity of Christians by favoring the granting of mutual concessions - dialogue - leads to the destruction of the Catholic Faith, the destruction of the Catholic priesthood, and the elimination of the power of Peter and of the bishops. The missionary spirit of the apostles, the martyrs and the saints is eliminated. For as long as the Secretariat keeps the false ecuмenism as its orientation and Roman ecclesiastical authorities approve it, we can affirm that they remain in open, official rupture with all the past of the Church and with its official Magisterium. It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the Tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith."

pg. 18 "The devils are very intelligent and deceitful. They excite curiosity... suggesting, at first acts which are generally good, so as to bring about bad acts when they dominate wills. We must then refuse all dialogue; it is in such a way that Satan perverted Eve, who accepted his dialogue."

Re the red text above, exactly what I was about to ask. Thanks for stating it clearly.

Would be interesting to post the unattributed quotes on the wall near the coffee and donuts, and then ask how many adults after Mass could name the actual author...  :incense:  :popcorn:

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2026, 01:08:07 PM »
Non-dogmatic sede is the position that makes most sense to me.

Not sure why there is a need for fence riding with public heretics where nothing is in question at this point.
Yeah, I don't even think the new-sspx considered Pope Francis as a heretic.  Simply shocking.  If he wasn't one, who could be one?


Offline Meg

Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2026, 02:49:01 PM »
Good point. I am not a sedevacantist either though I have considered the position. I think that all that is missing is a Catholic council to convene and the material heretic popes would be officially deposed as heretics. But, it is a hard pill to swallow, that we could have a pope who is really a pope who is so bad, and that such a large part of the church could be infiltrated. Without getting that debate started on this thread, I think we find ourselves in the great apostasy that Our Lady predicted (likely the true 3rd secret of Fatima) that the churchmen & pope would have apostatized. That Rome itself could become the seat of the antiChrist. 

I think that the SSPX is so afraid of even hinting at sedevacantism that they will not adopt any line of thinking that even whiffs of it. They dont even want to whiff of disobedience, but they are hypocritical because you must oppose the modern false churchmen or you begin to join them. The results is that the SSPX will not condemn the errors anymore. I think there is a prudent path without crossing the line into sedevacantism, as it seems that Fr. Girouad is at, and many other resistance priests. Archbishop Lefebvre seemed to have found the prudent path, though it was not without struggle and a little bit of back and forth on particular questions and challenges.

If these holy priests and saintly men like the Archbishop find themselves tossed by the waves in this crisis and there is confusion even among them, how could we propose to have all the answers? We have to pray for prudence and discernment, and admit that we don't have it all figured out. We don't know how God' providential plan will unfold into the future. We just know that we have to live as Catholics and avoid false shepherds. Pray to Our Lady of Good Counsel.

You makes some good points above. It is strange that the SSPX had not wanted to even hint, as you say, at any whiff of disobedience. But that was when Francis was pope. Everything changed with Leo. IMO, Leo is so extreme that it seems possible to me that he wanted the SSPX to be excommunicated. After all, he refused to meet with the SSPX (though that's not a bad thing), and he only seriously threatened the SSPX a day or two before the consecrations, and he had previously expected the SSPX to 'dialogue' with that freak Fernandez. Thank goodness the SSPX didn't go that route. I think that Leo wanted to be rid of the SSPX. He seems to have a great hatred for the TLM and Tradition. 

Yes, we may be in the great apostasy that Our Lady has predicted, though I don't think that Rome will necessarily become the seat of the anti-Christ. Time will tell. As you say, we don't have it all figured out. 

Offline Twice dyed

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Re the red text above, exactly what I was about to ask. Thanks for stating it clearly.

Would be interesting to post the unattributed quotes on the wall near the coffee and donuts, and then ask how many adults after Mass could name the actual author...  :incense:  :popcorn:
Good thought...
ESR wanted to sell a 3 part series of all the Sermons and talks of + Lefebvre, in French of course.
They announced that these would be on sale:

Unofficial...plain fishy!
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-en-francais/valeurs-traditionnelles/msg1011709/#msg1011709
Excerpt:

2011 AD.              "...press release from EDITIONS SAINT-REMI

  On March 23 we announced the publication of the Sermons of Mgr Lefebvre from 1971 to 1991. On March 29 at 5:30 p.m., without any prior warning, we received a summary summons for March 31, before the Paris court by the association Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint-Pie-X, to try to prohibit us from publishing the said Sermons. We await the judgment's deliberation next Wednesday.

  We had the initiative to publish the 219 Sermons of Archbishop Lefebvre in their entirety on the occasion of March 25, 2011 for the 20th anniversary of his call to God, with the intention not only of honoring his memory, but also of delivering to the faithful, priests, younger generations, historians and researchers an objective docuмent, without cutting or censorship, which reveals the exact thoughts of the prelate, his evolution, his retractions and his claims over the past 20 years. We also wanted to propagate excellent sermons for the greater good of souls.

  Therefore we naturally turned to the brother and sister of Mgr Lefebvre to talk to them about this project and we immediately obtained their warm written approval. Never in 20 years has the SSPX taken the trouble to publicize these sermons. Also, taking into account the fact that the few that FSSPX has published so far were, for some of them, amputated embarrassing passages, not to mention those that she refused to disseminate because they expressed positions opposite to those defended today by the SSPX of Mgr Fellay, we did not have to discuss [...faire part...] this with those who, publicly, betray Mgr Lefebvre's fight on two points:

- The abandonment of the denunciation of the conciliar church as being “a Masonic lodge” (see Mgr Lefebvre).

- The abandonment of the doctrinal question relating to the theological impossibility of a heretic being legitimately the Pope. Listen to Mgr Lefebvre himself on these two points (in 1976) (hurry up before this extract is deleted by an action of the SSPX!) (Deleted)

  And in 1986 at the Easter sermon, to say: “What conclusion will we have to draw, perhaps in a few months, in the face of these repeated acts of communication to false cults? I don't know. I wonder. But it is possible that we are obliged to believe that this pope is not pope. Because it seems at first sight - I do not yet want to say it in a solemn and formal way - but it seems at first sight - that it is impossible for a pope to be a heretic publicly and formally. Our Lord promised him (Peter's successor) to be with him, to keep his faith, to keep him in the faith. How can the one to whom Our Lord promised to keep him in the faith definitively and without being able to wander in the faith, be at the same time publicly heretic and almost apostatized? This is a problem that concerns all of you, not just me. »

    The publication of Mgr Lefebvre's sermons earned us a vast movement of sympathy from many faithful, hence the rage of the SSPX, which hastened to put pressure on the brother and sister of Mgr Lefebvre..."
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SSPX also brought Fr P. Schoonbroot to court...he died in a car accident. R.I.P. + There are posts re. this on CI.

    Plus, the official seminarian>priest in charge of all recordings , wrote a certificate declaring that +L wanted the sermons, conferences etc to be made available for the faithful etc. I have a screen shot of that but I'm afraid of being sh*t


Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2026, 07:58:30 PM »
I was scrolling too fast and never watched the original 4 min video. Sorry, I had a busy day and was trying to skim the replies on my mobile phone. I think I was misunderstanding you, and you may have misunderstood me. I think we are on the same page.

I agree with Fr G's video clip. 100% Yes, it makes perfect sense. It's true that the SSPX avoids the expression "conciliar church" nowadays.

Thank you DirigeNos. I am sorry I was a bit impatient with you before. Afterwards, I realized you must be new to these topics. Sometimes I make the mistake of thinking everybody has read or watched the same material I did over the past 41 years, when I discovered Abp Lefebvre.

I came across a Life Site News, where Abp Vigano says the same thing Fr. Girouard and myself say about the existence of the Conciliar Church. He encourages the Neo-SSPX to remain faithful to Tradition. I hope his words about the Conciliar Church being in schism with the Catholic Church will ring a bell with the Neo-SSPX, and will make them turn away from the Gleize theory.:
“The ruthless decree and the note from the former Holy Office, with their harshness toward those who have the sole ‘fault’ of wanting to remain Catholic, once again reveal the schism underway between the pope and the papacy itself: the conciliar-synodal church that attempts to eclipse the Catholic Church,” Viganò wrote in a letter he posted to X on Sunday.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archbishop-vigano-to-sspx-head-your-fidelity-shows-the-failure-of-the-vatican-ii-revolution/