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Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2025, 11:47:35 AM »
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  • Evidence is not required to realize that not even the Church judges the internal forum.  Simply Google up de internis Ecclesia non judicat ... a notion that's repeatedly taught everywhere by Popes, Doctors, theologians, etc.  Last recollection of something I read recently was in Apostolicae Curae by Pope Leo XIII, but there are countless examples, and it's a theological maxim that no one disputes.

    The Church does not judge internals when the sin is occult.  She indirectly judges internals when the sin is expressed outwardly.  This is the basis for canonical delicts.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #46 on: December 12, 2025, 11:48:05 AM »
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  • Just shut up you babbling moron and simply Google up how the Church does not judge the internal forum.

    It is you that had better shut up.


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #47 on: December 12, 2025, 11:51:48 AM »
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  • So ... your opinion means nothing, and it rests on some uncanny ability you must have to read the internal forum, which you admit in the last proposition with "truly guilty before God".  You know this how?  BEFORE GOD effectively entails a judgment of the internal forum.

    This is all a setup to justify your begged question that Bergoglio and Prevost were/are non-Popes but that Razinger was a pope, since Bergoglio "meant" his heresies and, like Padre Pio, you can read souls and declare that he was "truly guilty before God" for them, and using this same power can read Ratzinger's soul and declare that he did NOT mean his heresies, even when he and Bergs said that same objectively heretical things.

    If anything, it would be precisely the opposite.  Why?  Ratzinger was an extremely well-educated man, having obtained advanced degrees prior to Vatican II, when they meant something, whereas Bergoglio comes across as a moron, with seminary training worthy of a certificate you might find in a CrackerJack box ... where he attacked Trads for being Pelagians when he quite clearly meant something like Jansenists.  Ratzinger KNEW that what he was saying contradicted Tradition, whereas Bergs might struggle to pass a quiz based on Baltimore No. 1.  Ratzinger made some production about a "hermeneutic of continuity", but that was little more than a cynical attempt to lure Trads back in to the Conciliar Church, and his hermeneutic was in fact of the Hegelian variety.

    Sadly, you are spreading lies about a legitimate Pope, Benedict XVI, who was made to appear to be a heretic by his enemies. You are a willing accomplice with the destroyers of the Church because you don't like Benedict XVI. 

    All I can say is God's mercy is infinite, when He shows you your error, be ready to beat your breast in sorrow for these comments that you have made. He will forgive you, but it is best to prepare. The Warning will "come like a thief in the night." And it will be coming very soon.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #48 on: December 12, 2025, 11:52:27 AM »
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  • If one could not form a judgment that another has sinned, then every judgment in this regard would be a rash judgment.  However, we know that a rash judgment is one where there is not sufficient evidence to attribute sin in another.  The key term is "sufficient".

    Stop with your nonsense, Laudislaus, on this topic.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #49 on: December 12, 2025, 11:57:10 AM »
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  • Just shut up you babbling moron and simply Google up how the Church does not judge the internal forum.

    Yes, but you claim that you can know the internal forum of Benedict XVI. Here is what you claimed above:

    "Ratzinger made some production about a "hermeneutic of continuity", but that was little more than a cynical attempt to lure Trads back in to the Conciliar Church, and his hermeneutic was in fact of the Hegelian variety."

    With the bolded comment you are claiming to know his internal motives. You cannot possibly know that. 

    So, stop doing to a legitimate Pope what you correctly say that the Church does not even claim to be able to do. 





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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #50 on: December 13, 2025, 11:19:37 AM »
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  • This question is no longer merely in the realm of theological opinion. It has been practically settled and Canon Law forces Catholics to abide by 1917 Canon 188.4 in this matter.

    Theological opinions do not overrule the currrent discipline of the Church found in Canon Law.

    If we put the modernist popes into context with the 1958 coup d' etat of the Seat,  what I don't understand is how R&R trads assume that post 1958 Conclaves are valid and that the newChurch operating under the butchered 1983 Code of Canon Law is legitimate?

    A visible Jєωιѕн actor sitting in the Seat along with his non Sacramental fake Holy Orders See, are imposters and do not represent the Catholic Church.  

    Their Kayfabe "imagery" of the papal throne... is false and not a mark of the Church.

    Our current situation is far more degenerate and illegitimate than Church conditions during Pope Honorius's time.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #51 on: December 13, 2025, 03:36:10 PM »
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  • Yes, but you claim that you can know the internal forum of Benedict XVI. Here is what you claimed above:

    "Ratzinger made some production about a "hermeneutic of continuity", but that was little more than a cynical attempt to lure Trads back in to the Conciliar Church, and his hermeneutic was in fact of the Hegelian variety."

    With the bolded comment you are claiming to know his internal motives. You cannot possibly know that.

    So, stop doing to a legitimate Pope what you correctly say that the Church does not even claim to be able to do.


    :facepalm:  Nice try taking that statement out of context, the point of which is that you can opine and speculate Bergoglio meant it but Ratzinger did not, whereas I speculate the opposite ... and that who's the arbiter of truth?  Your own personal speculation that Ratzinger was well meaning, despite his repeated pertinacious adherence to and promotion of heresy, the same heresies as Bergoglio, does not suffices to save Ratzinger from loss of membership in the Church while at the same time somehow causing the loss of membershp for Bergoglio.

    You can speculate, I can speculate the opposite ... but either one of us can take our opinion and go to a coffee shop with it, where that and $10 will get us a large cup of fancy coffee.

    MANIFEST HERESY is what causes loss of membership in the Church, not your personal judgment that someone does or does not mean the heresy.

    If you hold that Bergoglio lost membership in the Church on account of heresy, then so did Ratzinger, and so did Wojtyla.  Period.

    You have this pathetic and absurd narrative that Bergoglio is the problem in the Church, and as long as we went back with Ratzinger, then Church Crisis Over!  Are you nuts?

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #52 on: December 14, 2025, 10:07:07 AM »
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  • Sadly, you are spreading lies about a legitimate Pope, Benedict XVI, who was made to appear to be a heretic by his enemies.

    What?  He did that all by himself and well before he traded in his V2-era suit-and-tie for a white cassock.

    When I read your words above, it made me think of those who endlessly excuse and defend Trumpenstein's clearly problematic words and actions.  He is not being thwarted or made to look bad by those around him; he is doing the job he has been assigned and doing it really well while far too many remain utterly oblivious to the reality of the situation.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #53 on: December 14, 2025, 02:12:42 PM »
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  • What?  He did that all by himself and well before he traded in his V2-era suit-and-tie for a white cassock.

    When I read your words above, it made me think of those who endlessly excuse and defend Trumpenstein's clearly problematic words and actions.  He is not being thwarted or made to look bad by those around him; he is doing the job he has been assigned and doing it really well while far too many remain utterly oblivious to the reality of the situation.

    Yeah, this guy's a deluded liar, like many of the idiot Bennyvacantists.  That's a great one LMAO ... that Ratzinger only APPEARED to be a heretic.

    :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1: ... whatever they're smoking must be pretty potent.

    So, these jokers claim that Bergoglio MEANT his heresies, by Ratz did not really mean them.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #54 on: December 14, 2025, 02:20:34 PM »
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  • I am so sick of the filthy liars who infest the Trad movement, constantly lying and slandering, twisting truth and reality ... just to get the outcome they have a prior emotional attachment to, like that scuмbucket there who keeps lying about the case of Honorius to "prove" the opinon among the "5 Opinions" that was held by the fewest actual theologians, that a Pope can never lose his office, even if he's a heretic ... other than by death or resignation, the same lie that pseudo-Bishop Schneider was selling.  After citing the fact that theologians are divided regarding the Honorius case, but all say that he was not actually a heretic who adhered to monotheletism, and quoting Pope Leo II, who differentiated between the actual heretics and Honorius, who PERMITTED them to sully dogma.

    But they completely ignore the actual facts and evidence ... and then proceed to reiterate their lies as if they had not seen what was just posted that refutes their errors.  They are not interested in truth, but only in promoting some agenda.

    Recall that this Angelus moron was the same one who kept insisting over and over again that Bergoglio's election was invalid because Wojtyla's UDG docuмent said that the conclave should begin after the funeral rites of the Pope, and since Ratzinger didn't have a funeral, this invalidated the election of Bergoglio ... despite citations from the docuмent where it talks about resignation, and mention of how the Latin grammar has the verb in the subjunctive, clearly indicating that it's referring to "funeral rites IF ANY", i.e. in the case of death, and not to some absolute requirement that there be a funeral rite.  That would lead to the absurdity that after a resignation of the Pope, the See would then remain vacant until the Pope actually died.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #55 on: December 14, 2025, 02:25:15 PM »
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  • I am so sick of the filthy liars who infest the Trad movement, constantly lying and slandering, twisting truth and reality ... 

    Disagreements are fine, but what isn't fine is to simply lie, to slander, to ignore those pesky little things called facts, etc.  If you want to impose a different interpretation on something, then go ahead and try to make a case, but it's not fine to simply ignore it and then to repeat your lies.

    When they claim that Leo II condemned Honorius as a heretic, and then I provide 3 citations from Leo II where he clearly differentiates between the heretics and Honorius, by referring to his having PERMITED or ALLOWED the heresy to flourish ... both the current heretics arguing that point, simply ignore those quotes and re-state their lie that Leo II condemned Honorius as a heretic.

    If you want to provide an alternative quotation, or you want to explain why I misread what he was saying ... by all means, go ahead.  But when you simply ignore it and then claim the opposie anyway ... you are a liar and that exposes your heresy as no longer having been made in good faith, and demonstrating that you are pertinacious.


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #56 on: December 14, 2025, 02:26:56 PM »
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  • :facepalm:  Nice try taking that statement out of context, the point of which is that you can opine and speculate Bergoglio meant it but Ratzinger did not, whereas I speculate the opposite ... and that who's the arbiter of truth?  Your own personal speculation that Ratzinger was well meaning, despite his repeated pertinacious adherence to and promotion of heresy, the same heresies as Bergoglio, does not suffices to save Ratzinger from loss of membership in the Church while at the same time somehow causing the loss of membershp for Bergoglio.

    You can speculate, I can speculate the opposite ... but either one of us can take our opinion and go to a coffee shop with it, where that and $10 will get us a large cup of fancy coffee.

    MANIFEST HERESY is what causes loss of membership in the Church, not your personal judgment that someone does or does not mean the heresy.

    If you hold that Bergoglio lost membership in the Church on account of heresy, then so did Ratzinger, and so did Wojtyla.  Period.

    You have this pathetic and absurd narrative that Bergoglio is the problem in the Church, and as long as we went back with Ratzinger, then Church Crisis Over!  Are you nuts?

    Bergoglio was never a legitimate Pope to begin with because Benedict XVI was still alive at the time of the 2013 false conclave. His election was null and void. 

    If one needed to prove Bergoglio was a manifest heretic, his teaching that divorced and remarried Catholics w/o annulment can receive Communion, would be sufficient for that. But again, he was never a legitimate Pope.

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #57 on: December 14, 2025, 02:39:35 PM »
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  • What?  He did that all by himself and well before he traded in his V2-era suit-and-tie for a white cassock.

    When I read your words above, it made me think of those who endlessly excuse and defend Trumpenstein's clearly problematic words and actions.  He is not being thwarted or made to look bad by those around him; he is doing the job he has been assigned and doing it really well while far too many remain utterly oblivious to the reality of the situation.

    Benedict XVI was not perfect. But he was made to look much worse by his enemies. He was definitely not a manifest heretic. 

    The problem is that "trads" who have been in "the movement" for decades stopped paying attention to the details of what was happening in the Church long ago. They got their news filtered by outfits like Novus Ordo Watch. They didn't actually read any of the papal docuмents to discover what was really said. They just see the headline and give themselves a self-congratulatory pat on the back for their great foresight in leaving the Novus Ordo before everyone else did.

    The end times deception really is a very complex deception that causes confusion in many groups, traditional Catholics included. We see this with the SSPX getting sucked back into the false Church at the time of the greatest apostasy. 

    BXVI, Joseph Ratzinger, will redeem himself. It is prophesied. He is the Pope of "the same name" as Joseph Sarto, Pope Pius X. He is "the Venerable Old Man of Rome who will be vested in his former garments" as Don Bosco said. There is no need to argue with me. You are free to disagree. I cannot prove anything.

    I know it sounds crazy. But the only thing more crazy than that is to think that the current hierarchy is going to elect a trad Pope and take it all back to 1959. No, the real solution will be something that most people cannot imagine. And it will involve supernatural events like the Warning and the Miracle, along with human events like the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart by a true Pope. 


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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #58 on: Yesterday at 08:34:38 AM »
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  • BXVI, Joseph Ratzinger, will redeem himself. It is prophesied. 

    ^^This^^ statement is puzzling, to put it mildly.  He has been dead for almost four years.  What, if anything, am I missing?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Sedevacantism Proven Wrong by La Salette
    « Reply #59 on: Yesterday at 09:07:26 AM »
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  • Benedict XVI was not perfect. But he was made to look much worse by his enemies. He was definitely not a manifest heretic.

    The problem is that "trads" who have been in "the movement" for decades stopped paying attention to the details of what was happening in the Church long ago. They got their news filtered by outfits like Novus Ordo Watch. They didn't actually read any of the papal docuмents to discover what was really said. They just see the headline and give themselves a self-congratulatory pat on the back for their great foresight in leaving the Novus Ordo before everyone else did.

    The end times deception really is a very complex deception that causes confusion in many groups, traditional Catholics included. We see this with the SSPX getting sucked back into the false Church at the time of the greatest apostasy.

    BXVI, Joseph Ratzinger, will redeem himself. It is prophesied. He is the Pope of "the same name" as Joseph Sarto, Pope Pius X. He is "the Venerable Old Man of Rome who will be vested in his former garments" as Don Bosco said. There is no need to argue with me. You are free to disagree. I cannot prove anything.

    I know it sounds crazy. But the only thing more crazy than that is to think that the current hierarchy is going to elect a trad Pope and take it all back to 1959. No, the real solution will be something that most people cannot imagine. And it will involve supernatural events like the Warning and the Miracle, along with human events like the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart by a true Pope.
    Wow, dude....