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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Fr. Robinson: It’s All Valid, Trust Us!
« Last post by Ladislaus on Yesterday at 12:25:12 PM »
So, I think many people believe that I'm being very harsh with Father Robinson ... except that to be weak and mealy-mouthed about it has the effect of implying that those errors are just opinion and are just "liberal" and within the realm of what one can believe and teach and still qualify as a Catholic.

That was the same problem with the Dubia sent to Bergoglio, where they had some "concerns" and "hesitations" and "uncertainties" and "questons" about what Bergoglio had taught.  By doing that, the message you're actually sending is that you're "not sure" whether one can be a Catholic and hold that one can receive the Sacraments while living in a state of sin.

Recall that one becomes a heretic not only for open heresy, but also for DOUBTING truths that are de fide.  If someone said, for instance, that Our Lady is part of the Holy Quadrinity now ... and you responded with "hmm, I'm not sure" ... then you're also saying that you're "not sure" about the dogma regarding the Holy Trinity.  That makes you a heretic every bit as much as if you denied it.

See, it's only this modern age that has led us to tolerate heresy.  So hostile were the Church Fathers, and the Church in general, toward heresy, that they declared anathemas over single "iota"s, since for them, as Bishop Williamson often said, "ideas mattered" ... and objective truth mattered and was in fact the measure of all reality.

It's only with the creeping subjectivism (that was evidently not taught at STAS after +Williamson was kicked out) that you can tolerate error because "sincerity" is the ultimate criterion.  If you're "sincere" in your heresy, then, hey, it's not so bad, and you have a right to hold it, and you can be saved just the same, as long as you're (subjectively) convinced about it.

So we need to get their attention, and we can't do that with "well, I personally think, Father, that you're mistaken on this point ..."  Sure, that's persuasive.  But if you say, "Father, that's Modernist heresy." ... at the very last, you'll get his attention, whereas the former is going to be blow off immediately. I'd be happy to retract it also if you or he can explain how I'm wrong, or how St. Robert Bellarmine was wrong.  I'd rather retract later if I'm wrong than to let it "slide" as if heresy were "no big deal".  As long as he offers the Tridentine Mass, and has good-smelling incense and melodious bells, then that's all that counts, no big deal.

I love the clip from Bishop Williamson about "nitheness" where he concludes, "No.  I despise you." [for error and heresy]

And I do absolutely DESPISE this heretical teaching of Father Paul Robinson.  I've actually seen the destructiveness of this in action, after 7 years of being taught the exact same garbage by the Jesuits, first in High School, then at University (both Jesuit).  I saw many young men at the Jesuit High School lose the faith because they were immediately taught that the Book of Genesis was a myth, there weren't a real Adam and Eve, that these are all stories to make a point, that the Bible didn't intend to teach about history or science, that the parting of the Red Sea was just because at certain times this marsh they walked through would recede, and on and on and on.  That's where the Modernists got their start, attacking Sacred Scripture.  What else was just something "not intended by Scripture".  Oh, St. Paul, in his misogynistic passages, was just reflecting the attitude of his times, and that wasn't the Holy Ghost teaching that (for those who even believed that the Holy Ghost had anything to do with Sacred Scripture).  What's next?  This type of crap shattered the faith of countless young men at my Jesuit All-Boys' High School.

So, I will not hold punches, I will not be "nice" or "nithe" ... since the fact that he poses at a Traditional priest makes him THAT MUCH MORE DANGEROUS, since the more dressing you put on top of the poison, the more likely people are to swallow it.  If the same thing were said by some Jesuit wearing a rainbow stole while officiating a clown Mass, people of good faith would immediately recognize it as heresy and reject it outright.  But put the same nonsense behind a Trad priest using all the smells and bells, and "well, I guess it must be OK to think this way".

NO !!!  Father Paul Robinson is a Modernist Heretic, and his book belongs on the Index.  And the SSPX should be condemned for approving of and promoting his book.  People have been burned at the stake for FAR LESS than what he holds and teaches.

BTW, I'm also not one to make the charge of heresy lightly.  I've often locked horns with sedevacantists who shoot from the hip and throw the word heresy around like it's going out of style, when some error has some note less than that of heresy or else they're just plain wrong about something even being an error (where it's more of an opinion).  While I do believe Bergoglio was and Prevost is a heretic, I would say that the majority of the accusations are wrong.

Galileo was condemned as a heretic for FAR LESS, for something that could even be debated slightly more, i.e. by claiming that when Sacred Scripture says that the sun moved or the sun stopped, this really means that the earth stopped, etc.  In a sense, motion is relative, so one could make a better case for that.

But Sacred Scripture clearly teaches that during the Great Deluge, the ENTIRE earth was covered with water, the peaks of ALL the mountains, and that ALL flesh was destroyed from the earth except those in the ark ... that does not mean there was a local flood in the Mediterranean basin that wiped out maybe 10% of all humanity, covered NO mountain peaks (since the water would quickly dissipate below that level) ... and where instead of spending decades building an Ark, Noah could have just packed up and moved a couple hundred miles.  There's no way to RESCUE that without having to attribute error to Sacred Scripture.  That's heresy.  St. Robert Bellarmine declared that Galileo was heretical not because scientific matters themselves can be heretical, but because by implication he denied the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, by contradicting it, i.e. his positions were heretical not ex parte objecti, sed ex parte Dicentis, not because of the objective content but because of WHO TAUGHT IT, namely, the Holy Ghost.

Now if I say ... "Well ... in my opinion, it's just that, I think Father Robinson is mistaken." and of course I add, "oh, but I have the greatest respect for him, and he's a wonderful Trad priest, just that he's wrong about this." ... what would I be doing?  I'd be CONDONING THE HERESY, saying it's just opinion, and that it's no big deal and does nothing to detract from how great a priest he is, etc. etc.  Sorry.  No can do.  I call out heresy as heresy.

I mentioned that the Councils declared anathemas against heretics.  Well, they often added anathemas against those who TOLERATED heresies and effectively being complicit in them and enabling them.  If I "softened" up against Father Robinson, I'd become an enabler of his heresies, and I refuse to do that.  I will not be party to the wreckage of faith his errors can cause and have caused.  Also, even charity toward the heretic requires being blunt and direct.  Had the Dubia "Cardinals" just come straight out and said he was teaching heresy ... I think that could have caused a massive cascading effect in the Church.  Instead, most of those who self-identify as Catholic might have mentioned a thing or two about it on X, until they got bored, and moved on with a yawn.
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Fr. Robinson: It’s All Valid, Trust Us!
« Last post by Matthew on Yesterday at 10:54:35 AM »
Right, these last couple of attempts by SSPX to justify their indefensible position have been so replete with logical fallacy, gaslighting, absurdly-poor arguments, and other forms of blatant dishonesty ... that it PROVES without any shadow of a doubt their bad will, deception, and ... in so many words ... LYING.  I didn't think priests would lie, but they are in fact lying through their teeth.

But, should that come as a surprise from the Modernist Heretic Robinson, who openly rejects the inerrancy of Sacred Scriture and therefore its divine authorship.  St. Robert Bellarmine would have had Robison burned at the stake.  Robinson also refused to sign letters during the Plandemic attesting to the fact that Traditional Catholics had religious objections to the jab.  This is STRIKE THREE.

Robinson' needs to be given a chance to recant.  If he does, he needs to be consigned to a monastery to life, prevented from any public preaching, reduced to a simplex priest.  If he does not recant, he should be defrocked and excommunicated.  In any case, his book needs to be at the top of the Index.

What makes Robinson that much more pernicious is that he parades around not only in a Roman collar, but posing as a Traditional Catholic ... while denying the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture every bit as much as any foaming-at the-mouth Jesuit (I know, since I battled them for 7 years at their institutions), except that he dresses up his heresies in the smells and bells of the Tridentine Rites.  At least the Jesuits don't hide who they are, and just go have their clown Masses, and so there's little deception.

What makes it evern worse is that the SSPX as an organization have endorsed his heretical monstrosity of a book, and keep appointing him to positions of "leadership".  I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the next US District Superior or even Seminary Rector.  Meanwhile, the old guard, such as Father Kevin Robinson or Father Peter Scott ... they're hidden away.

That tells me everything I need to know about neo-SSPX.  100% infiltrated and taken over.

Fully agree.
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Fr. Robinson: It’s All Valid, Trust Us!
« Last post by Michelle on Yesterday at 10:52:07 AM »
Just get over yourself.  Your posts lack principles, just like the new-sspx.  All you care about are the exterior smells-n-bells, just like the new-sspx. 

You believe that “St JP2 the great” was so good, (though he heretically kissed the Quran in public) and wrote the heretical “theology of the body” among a hundred other heretical acts.  Yet +ABL had to disobey a SAINT POPE in order to save Tradition.  WHAT?  This is so comically schizophrenic. 

You want the fruits of the hard-work of Tradition but without the “pressure” of being “fringe”.  You want the comfort of new-Rome’s “legitimacy” but then want the freedom of Tradition to avoid new-Rome's errors. 

Boru, what you don’t get is that the sspx offers what you want (freedom to worship, security of Faith) PRECISELY because they are INDEPENDENT of new-Rome.  As the new-sspx keeps inching closer to new-Rome, the more they compromise the faith.  Just like the FSSP you left.  Because they weren’t Trad enough.  Because they were infected by new-Rome. 

So quit championing the sspx’s actions (the cracks in the foundation are starting to show) and start realizing the danger they are in.  Start fighting FOR them to WAKE UP.  If they don’t change quickly and reject new-Rome, you’re gonna find yourself sitting in a pew of the FSSP 2.0 real soon. 

It’s happened to every, single Trad group that went to new-Rome.  Once they gave up their freedom, they had to obey 100% and lost everything.
You're spot on.  I would not attend the Fraternity of Saint Peter because they compromised and that is exactly why I left the SSPX.  It's all become superficial and defending true doctrine has disappeared.  There is no more opposition to errors of the Newchurch.
St. Paul wrote that "because men did not receive the love of truth, God sends them the operation of error."  This seems to be what is happening to the SSPX because they stopped opposing the enemies of the faith within the church.
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: NeoSSPX Says Mass in Modernist Rome
« Last post by Twice dyed on Yesterday at 10:18:05 AM »
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It seems over the last 15 years that they gave up the fight for the truth and are afraid to make waves.  After all, they might get crucified if they speak against the Pharisees.
I hope that any Trad will see a marked contrast between +Lefebvre's sermon at the Credo pilgrimage 1975,

https://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Apologia/Vol_one/Chapter_6.htm

and the sermon given by Fr. Pagliarani on August 20, 2025 Colle Oppio at the  Pilgrimage of Hope.
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/neosspx-says-mass-in-modernist-rome/msg996741/#msg996741
****Spot the difference?
NeoSspx sort of submitted to the Roman authorities, then on August 22 or 23 the Vatican DELETED Fraternity SSPX from the official records of that Pilgrimage. ... they got slapped. +L often said:" You can't trust Modernists."

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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Fr. Robinson: It’s All Valid, Trust Us!
« Last post by Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 10:15:00 AM »
So what the SSPX did -processing through the streets of Rome into the Vatican, with hundreds and hundreds of traditional priests and seminarians - was truly amazing. It made a statement to the world. It made a statement to our enemies. It made a statement to the Pope. 
Just get over yourself.  Your posts lack principles, just like the new-sspx.  All you care about are the exterior smells-n-bells, just like the new-sspx.  

You believe that “St JP2 the great” was so good, (though he heretically kissed the Quran in public) and wrote the heretical “theology of the body” among a hundred other heretical acts.  Yet +ABL had to disobey a SAINT POPE in order to save Tradition.  WHAT?  This is so comically schizophrenic. 

You want the fruits of the hard-work of Tradition but without the “pressure” of being “fringe”.  You want the comfort of new-Rome’s “legitimacy” but then want the freedom of Tradition to avoid new-Rome's errors.  

Boru, what you don’t get is that the sspx offers what you want (freedom to worship, security of Faith) PRECISELY because they are INDEPENDENT of new-Rome.  As the new-sspx keeps inching closer to new-Rome, the more they compromise the faith.  Just like the FSSP you left.  Because they weren’t Trad enough.  Because they were infected by new-Rome.  

So quit championing the sspx’s actions (the cracks in the foundation are starting to show) and start realizing the danger they are in.  Start fighting FOR them to WAKE UP.  If they don’t change quickly and reject new-Rome, you’re gonna find yourself sitting in a pew of the FSSP 2.0 real soon.  

It’s happened to every, single Trad group that went to new-Rome.  Once they gave up their freedom, they had to obey 100% and lost everything. 
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Fr. Robinson: It’s All Valid, Trust Us!
« Last post by Boru on Yesterday at 09:06:50 AM »
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We as a family have home-schooled all our children and found tradition through a lot of prayer and study. We care very much about our faith and would only go to a traditional Mass. And if we choose not to leave the chapels of the SSPX, it's because we have no reason to. Our priest is rock solid and shows great respect for the Holy Father. This is extremely important for the well being of children. I did not want a priest who mocked the Church and mocked the Papacy and taught my children to do that. It is unhealthy for young minds. I had to have words with a Resistant minded priest who crossed this line. I approached him politely and privately and he stood there and bellowed at me like a four year old child having a tantrum. I exaggerate not. I also am not impressed with the pedo priests being put on the UK/Irish Resistance circuit. I understand this has happened in the SSPX too - trust me I am well aware and yes, Bishop Fellay should be held accountable - however, the Resistance circle is very small and very dependent on its priests, making the danger all the greater. Perhaps it is better in America, but it is not safe here....
Given the two thumbs down I received for this, am I to take it that you do not have a problem with pedophile priests being on the Resistance circuit with young families? Am I to take it that you believe young children should be indoctrinated to be distrustful of the Papacy and the Vatican? That it is better to leave a place where they get nothing but solid Catholic doctrine and a thriving Catholic community, and go to a Resistance center (I'm talking about our side of the world now) where our children could be abused, where they would be taught to fear the Church, and where there is absolutely no accountability if things go wrong.  I'm writing this in defense of my position; it is not an attack on yours.

Because of this crisis, that we all face together, it is not easy to know what to do; it isn't as black and white as some of you make out. And we need to be careful that we don't box ourselves off so that the only voices we ever hear are our own. Giving public testimony to the faith is a very important thing. So what the SSPX did -processing through the streets of Rome into the Vatican, with hundreds and hundreds of traditional priests and seminarians - was truly amazing. It made a statement to the world. It made a statement to our enemies. It made a statement to the Pope. Catholicism is not about tearing down, and turning on each other. Its about "Restoring All things in Christ"; about building back up and taking back what is ours. And where ever Catholics are giving glory to Christ our King, and being a public example, we should all be applauding and cheering. We shouldn't stop being apostles simply because the hierarchy of Christ's Church have dropped the ball.  
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No. Is OLMC normal?  All normalcy vanished after Mom and then Dad Pfeiffer died.
Normalcy was manifestly gone in 2015 when they brought in sheyster Ambrose, but probably gone years prior.  

Don't be a Pfeiffer apologist.
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The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers / Re: Saint Quotes on Diligence
« Last post by Gray2023 on Yesterday at 08:51:16 AM »
The fourth hindrance is a desire to do too much. There is no need of wearing ourselves completely out in the exercises of virtue, but we should practice them freely, naturally, simply, as the ancient Fathers did, with good will and without scrupulosity. In this consists the liberty of the children of God: that is, in doing gladly, faithfully, and heartily, what they are obliged to do.----St. Francis de Sales
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Fighting Errors in the Modern World / Why Politicians Seek Power
« Last post by Isaac C Bishop on Yesterday at 07:33:04 AM »
Why Politicians Seek Power 
Why Politicians Seek Power | The Libertarian Institute

In The Dictator’s Handbook, Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics, Professors Bruce Bueno de Mesquita and Alastair Smith look at historical examples as well as modern ones and conclude successful politicians do not gain power by helping “we the people,” but by knowing how to gain and maintain it. This is done primarily through supporting the correct coalition of backers. To maintain their power, they must use the funds government access provides and divvy them to supporters who brought them to power and will keep them there. Those with the longest and most “successful” careers are willing to hand out benefits and engage in corrupt actions. Those held back by moral concerns are thus disadvantaged by those with no such handicap. Ruthlessness is best.

Just as a bank is a target for robbers, power and money make the government a target for bureaucracies, corporations, and national parties. These interest groups seek politicians who will bend to their will, giving them access to that power and to funds. So politicians willing to give them what they desire are the most secure in their position. As the authors state, “power leads to corruption, and corruption leads to power.”

Mesquita and Smith found a pattern for those who stayed in power. To succeed in government, you use gifts, privileges, welfare, or subsidies to make a percentage of the population dependent on your staying in power. This is why seemingly idiotic actions and economic policies taken by our rulers make perfect sense when the priority is not the people but rulers’ close-knit supporters and friends. The goal is not to improve all Americans but to benefit the coalition in power. Speaking of these kinds of policies, Mesquita and Smith wrote, “This may be economic madness, but it is also political genius.” Further, successful leaders will punish enemies, such as an opposing party’s constituency of supporters, by increasing taxation on them; but they will hand out benefits and subsidies to those loyal and willing to switch sides, or just willing to play the game. Politicians use their control of public finances to both wage economic war on opposition and create and keep their support among the loyal.

Like giving drug addicts their fix, we hand power over to those who crave it most. Similar to the negative consequences of drug use, both the power user and the taxpayers they abuse, suffer from it. Many think all psychopaths become murderers, but most are actually highly functional and because they desire to control others, they often become successful businessmen and politicians. In addition, their attributes elevate them above the competition to become prosperous in those areas.

James Silver informs us that the traits which make for successful politicians are the same ones which “define clinical psychopathy”; they are a “lack of remorse and empathy, a sense of grandiosity, superficial charm, cunning and manipulative behavior, and refusal to take responsibility for one’s actions.” Silver quotes Robert Hare, a leading expert, who found “psychopaths generally have a heightened need for power and prestige—exactly the type of urges that make politics an attractive calling.” Psychopaths do very well in politics because they make great first impressions, do well in high-pressure situations, are fearless and highly competitive, and stay calm in stressful situations.
Writing for Scientific American, Scott Lilienfeld and Hal Arkowitz wrote psychopaths are “superficially charming; psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest…largely devoid of guilt…Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead.” So very reminiscent of politicians passing legislation helping themselves as individuals or their particular party and interest groups, with no apparent concern about damage inevitably wreaked on the economy or the culture. Further, the blame for whatever harms result can always be placed elsewhere. Maybe it’s those Marxist university professors; maybe it’s white supremacists, it’s gαys, it’s Christians, it’s the capitalists and so on, anything but their own fault.


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Funny Stuff for Catholics / Re: Unfunny Stuff
« Last post by Godefroy on Yesterday at 07:18:56 AM »
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