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Offline SperaInDeo

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2022, 11:50:31 AM »
Can you docuмent the use of the word "transubstantiation" in the times of the Apostles?

No?  Does that de-legitimize transubstantiation?

Issues get addressed in their own times.

Ah, you see, that’s one of the (innumerable) nice things about our religion - God came and spoke to us 2,000 years ago and the Gospel was COMPLETE. There isn’t really anything new under the sun that He didn’t address. He even left us this wonderful institution (the Catholic Church) that authoritatively tied everything up in a nice bow with their “books that fill the entire world” and they are exceeding useful when heretics, busybodies, and the rest of the devil’s minions attack Catholic morality. 

I was under the impression that Trads knew these basic things?

Offline Yeti

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« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2022, 11:54:03 AM »
He never mentions marijuana (he mentions narcotics, which MJ is not), and even if he would have, he’s only discussing the issue of intoxication (which is not the only circuмstance pertaining to the morality of recreational marijuana).
MJ is not a narcotic??! :jester:

Oh, okay, Sean, now I get it. You're just messing around here, you're not having a serious conversation. My mistake.


Offline Mark 79

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« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2022, 12:06:10 PM »
Medical studies and statistics from the Thomistic article I posted on p.3 of this thread suggest otherwise:


The Short-term and Long-term Effects of Recreational Marijuana Use

…medical science has now shown that it in fact damages the user's physical and mental health in both the short and the long-term. Thus, recreational marijuana is not harmless. It is not safe.…

…can over-stimulate …suggests that…can be accompanied by …have been linked to… can also lead to …because of the small number of studies there is still insufficient evidence to assess…cataloged…though it is not clear if these changes are associated with apparent adverse effects in cognition or behavior…It is not clear why this is so. Some suggest that …there is data that suggests that… suggested that …some data suggests that …


Serious logical and methodological problems with these cherry-picked citations.

All are attempts to use correlation ("suggests," "catalogued," "accompanied by") as causality ("shown").

In any journal article, the use of "suggests," "can," "not clear," "accompanied by" avoids the embarrassing truth: "I can't prove causality, so I'll just use correlations as innuendo."

Note also that NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse) is an advocacy organization. It is funded to perpetuate the drug war. NIDA is a bunch of bureaucrats working to maintain their featherbed sinecure.

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2022, 12:09:20 PM »
MJ is not a narcotic??! :jester:

Oh, okay, Sean, now I get it. You're just messing around here, you're not having a serious conversation. My mistake.

To be fair, MJ is not a narcotic by medical definition.  That hasn't stopped .gov/.zog from defining MJ legally as a narcotic.

They play the same games with other substances. For example, Human Growth Hormone is a polypeptide, not a steroid, a fortiori not an anabolic steroid, but it is legally defined as such under the Anabolic Steroid Act.

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2022, 12:13:31 PM »


I liked the Thomistic article, not only because it is Thomistic, but because it tackles the issue with a more complete treatment than just the issue of intoxication (which is never the only circuмstance in evaluating the liceity of MJ: If it were, medical marijuana would often be deemed illicit in circuмstances in which it is clearly licit).

Your use of "clearly" dramatically misrepresents the facts.  There seem to be correlations that, when analyzed are not causality.  The salient example is one already mentioned: the correlation of schizophrenics and MJ use is not causal. Another common methodological flaw is either (1) having no control group at all or (2) using an unrepresentative and inappropriate control group (sort of like the Jєωs who compare the IQ of Jєωιѕн physicians to the IQ of welfare non-Jєωs to "prove" Jєωs are geniuses).

I'd like to underscore a point that I made early in the MJ tsunami.

You are correct, Sean, that loss of reason is not the only determinant of the moral liceity of medical and/or social use of MJ. 

An honest assessment of the risk/benefit ratio is pivotal. We are bound to avoid undue risk of self harm (extreme sports anyone?). That is why the medical research is relevant to discussion of social use of MJ.

Today's best evidence is that compared to alcohol, MJ has a much more favorable risk/benefit ratio, so, as best we can say today, MJ use medically and socially is morally licit within the confines of pernennial, unchangeable, and infallible Catholic moral theology.

Q.E.D.