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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2022, 12:30:52 PM »
To be fair, MJ is not a narcotic by medical definition.  That hasn't stopped .gov/.zog from defining MJ legally as a narcotic.

Yes, and my point was that Jone wasn't using the term in its "medical" sense, but as a category of those substances (other than alcohol) which can impair the higher faculties.  He didn't have separate treatments of marijuana, LSD, magic mushrooms, etc. ... nor release a new edition of his book every time a new substance was introduced.  And that's what Yeti was getting at as well.  From a moral-theological perspective, marijuana is considered to be in the category of narcotics.

Offline SperaInDeo

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« Reply #81 on: April 21, 2022, 12:34:24 PM »
You've not been involved in the pot debates for very long. Good luck with debating with the pot supporters. You'll soon see what happens when you go against them.

I hope you’re done sniffing people at church. Jesus would prefer meditation I think. 


Offline Mark 79

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« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2022, 12:37:36 PM »
Your use of "clearly" dramatically misrepresents the facts.  There seem to be correlations that, when analyzed are not causality.  The salient example is one already mentioned: the correlation of schizophrenics and MJ use is not causal. Another common methodological flaw is either (1) having no control group at all or (2) using an unrepresentative and inappropriate control group (sort of like the Jєωs who compare the IQ of Jєωιѕн physicians to the IQ of welfare non-Jєωs to "prove" Jєωs are geniuses).

I'd like to underscore a point that I made early in the MJ tsunami.

You are correct, Sean, that loss of reason is not the only determinant of the moral liceity of medical and/or social use of MJ. 

An honest assessment of the risk/benefit ratio is pivotal. We are bound to avoid undue risk of self harm (extreme sports anyone?). That is why the medical research is relevant to discussion of social use of MJ.

Today's best evidence is that compared to alcohol, MJ has a much more favorable risk/benefit ratio, so, as best we can say today, MJ use medically and socially is morally licit within the confines of pernennial, unchangeable, and infallible Catholic moral theology.

Q.E.D.

Let's not allow her to derail the discussion into more mind-reading, soul-reading, Pharisaical name-calling.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2022, 12:40:11 PM »
As I said previously, I'm all ears awaiting the introduction of a rational principle that would make different considerations apply to marijuana than to alcohol (apart from extrinsic considerations such as legality, etc.).  I have never used pot, and therefore have no horse in this race.  I did not find the "food stuff" argument by the Novus Ordo "theologian" at all convincing (not to mention that marijuana can be and has been consumed as a food).  I don't find that relevant to its morality.  Even the question of benefit vs. potential harm is somewhat peripheral (and is medically debated) and is more a practical concern (such as what one might have with cigarette smoking, etc.).

I'm pretty sure that if big pharma isolated THC, put it in tiny doses in some kind of pill, combined it with one or two other ingredients, called it something else, and marketed it for its therapeutic effects, it would therefore somehow get "sanitized" and made acceptable in many people's minds.  I feel that this is all about perception, with people having visions of college students sitting around a bong getting high.  No one here has ever said that was permissible and not a grave sin.  I see no difference in taking small amounts of THC and, say, taking a Xanax for anxiety, simply because the latter was developed by big pharma in a lab.

Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #84 on: April 21, 2022, 12:56:45 PM »
Sean, your article uses "recreational use" in it's title, but then later on, it discusses an additional category of "casual use". 
1) I'll bet that their "recreational use" is not the same as your definition.  That is, their "recreational use" means getting high, which further means that, yes, the health risks for getting high 1-2x a week are VERY serious, just like having 4-5 drinks a few times a week will damage your liver over time.

2) "casual use" is probably more in line with catholic teaching...or...it means someone who only uses pot once every few months.  ??  Who knows.

3)  Point being, how do they define "recreational" vs "casual"?  If you asked 100 people, you'd get 100 different answers.  You can't cite an article and assume they mean what you mean, especially a "science loving" org who isn't catholic.