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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2022, 11:30:11 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2022, 09:38:38 AM
As usual, your own comments condemn you.  Nobody else in this thread is exhibiting the behavior you are describing.
In this thread. Yes, so far you are the first opponent of MJ to discuss this rationally.

It's rather refreshing.

Lad has accurately described the ravings of the usual suspects in the numerous other threads.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2022, 11:32:00 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
Medical studies and statistics from the Thomistic article I posted on p.3 of this thread suggest otherwise:


The Short-term and Long-term Effects of Recreational Marijuana Use

These "studies and statistics" are based on amounts that are not moral for Catholics to use without grave reason.  Mark79 has cited myriad studies showing the safety and benefits of marijuana.  One can say that same things about smoking and drinking, etc.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2022, 11:33:28 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2022, 11:30:01 AM
He was using the term narcotics as a category of substances apart from alcohol which can bring about the loss of reason.  Nowhere in Jone is there any mention of marijuna per se, but it's considered to be part of the narcotics category as Jone defined it.

Intoxication (losing the use of reason) is in fact the only intrinsic issue pertaining to the morality of marijuana (aside from legality, risk of job loss, etc.).  Period.

Thomists say otherwise.
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2022, 11:36:14 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2022, 10:14:16 AM
Can you quote the parts where they specifically address the morality of recreational use of Marijuana?

Can you docuмent the use of the word "transubstantiation" in the times of the Apostles?

No?  Does that de-legitimize transubstantiation?

Issues get addressed in their own times.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2022, 11:45:43 AM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on April 21, 2022, 11:36:14 AM
Can you docuмent the use of the word "transubstantiation" in the times of the Apostles?

No?  Does that de-legitimize transubstantiation?

Issues get addressed in their own times.

This was precisely my point:

An earlier study posted by someone else in another thread was brusquely dismissed, simply because it was authored by a postconciliar moralist.

So my comment was designed to show that so far as I am aware, no traditional moralists have addressed the issue of the morality of MJ.  Consequently, all we’re left with is the principles to be applied...by postconciliarists (which include all of us).

I liked the Thomistic article, not only because it is Thomistic, but because it tackles the issue with a more complete treatment than just the issue of intoxication (which is never the only circuмstance in evaluating the liceity of MJ: If it were, medical marijuana would often be deemed illicit in circuмstances in which it is clearly licit).

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