Author Topic: What is Fr. Gruners angle? (Read 6224 times)

mikemac · « **Reply #45 on:** September 20, 2013, 10:15:05 PM »

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Father Gruner has recently said we should be consoled about the papacy of Francis because he is likely to be the pope who does the Fatima Consecration.

what reasons does Fr. Gruner give for this sanguine outlook on the curren pope? Most traditional Catholcs look upon Francis as "a flake." Bp. Williamson calls him a "goofball." I'll tell you one thing, if Pope Francis does consecrate Russia, a lot of us will have some apologizing to do. Because he has always put the best face on post-Conciliar popes that he possibly could. If it pays off this time, then we were wrong in thinking that any modernist pope could ever consecrate Russia; and he was right in believing that one of them would.

I've been following the Fatima Center for quite a few years now and I have to admit that it would take Divine Intervention for Pope Francis to do a proper Consecration of Russia. Well actually that's what Father Gruner is counting on too, Divine Intervention. Yesterday in an e-mail he asked us to add fasting to our prayers for a proper Consecration.

Fr. Gruner believes that Pope Francis will do a proper Consecration because the stigmatized man Antonio Ruffini told Fr. Paul Kramer that neither JPII nor his successor would do the Consecration, but the one after that would. Pope Pius XII authorized the blessing of a chapel on the spot where Ruffini received the stigmata on the Via Appia and Fr. Tomaselli wrote a booklet about him. If you do a search for 'Antonio Ruffini' there are a few web pages about him.

Stephen Francis if Pope Francis does do a proper Consecration of Russia and Russia converts and we see a period of peace will you return to the Catholic Faith?

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #46 on:** September 20, 2013, 10:36:50 PM »

As soon as Bergoglio becomes a Catholic, he can be elected Pope.

We'll see what happens next.

Return to the Faith? The faith where Ratzinger and Bergoglio are tolerating fαɢɢօts and child-rapists?

I'd sooner become a Freemason and a Jew than belong to a faith where Christ-denying Jews are granted the benefit of so-called validity in their abominable twisting of Holy Scripture.

Hus was burned at the stake for a heretic. So was Knox. They hsd it easy compared to what awaits these apostates if they don't do penance for their sins.

mikemac · « **Reply #47 on:** September 20, 2013, 11:52:35 PM »

Yeah well we all need to do penance for our sins eh Stephen.

John Knox wasn't burnt at the stake for heresy, although he should have been.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #48 on:** September 21, 2013, 12:36:00 AM »

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I figured that's what was biting your but.

I wince each time I come across this phrase. I'm certain you do not mean to offend, but there are women who read and participate on this forum.
It's another crude modernist phrase that we should avoid, as we do all modernism.

Lecture concluded, carry on :geezer:

hollingsworth · « **Reply #49 on:** September 21, 2013, 07:14:21 PM »

I just saw another press release from the Fatima Center in which Fr. Gruner suggests that these popes who haven't consecrated Russia haven't had the "grace" to do; that we need to fast and pray more so that the act may be accomplished. Does Father throw it all back into the laps of us layfolk? We are the ones, apparently, who have not prayed hard enough or fasted long enough. IMO, these are gratuitous comments that needn't be made by Fr. Gruner.

JPaul · « **Reply #50 on:** September 21, 2013, 08:04:17 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

I just saw another press release from the Fatima Center in which Fr. Gruner suggests that these popes who haven't consecrated Russia haven't had the "grace" to do; that we need to fast and pray more so that the act may be accomplished. Does Father throw it all back into the laps of us layfolk? We are the ones, apparently, who have not prayed hard enough or fasted long enough. IMO, these are gratuitous comments that needn't be made by Fr. Gruner.

It is getting old now. Perhaps we need a Fatima grace Crusade.......didn't someone else try that recently?

Incredulous · « **Reply #51 on:** September 21, 2013, 10:13:55 PM »

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Quote from: hollingsworth
Incredulous:
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Father Gruner has recently said we should be consoled about the papacy of Francis because he is likely to be the pope who does the Fatima Consecration.

what reasons does Fr. Gruner give for this sanguine outlook on the curren pope? Most traditional Catholcs look upon Francis as "a flake." Bp. Williamson calls him a "goofball." I'll tell you one thing, if Pope Francis does consecrate Russia, a lot of us will have some apologizing to do. Because he has always put the best face on post-Conciliar popes that he possibly could. If it pays off this time, then we were wrong in thinking that any modernist pope could ever consecrate Russia; and he was right in believing that one of them would.

I've been following the Fatima Center for quite a few years now and I have to admit that it would take Divine Intervention for Pope Francis to do a proper Consecration of Russia. Well actually that's what Father Gruner is counting on too, Divine Intervention. Yesterday in an e-mail he asked us to add fasting to our prayers for a proper Consecration.

Fr. Gruner believes that Pope Francis will do a proper Consecration because the stigmatized man Antonio Ruffini told Fr. Paul Kramer that neither JPII nor his successor would do the Consecration, but the one after that would. Pope Pius XII authorized the blessing of a chapel on the spot where Ruffini received the stigmata on the Via Appia and Fr. Tomaselli wrote a booklet about him. If you do a search for 'Antonio Ruffini' there are a few web pages about him.

Stephen Francis if Pope Francis does do a proper Consecration of Russia and Russia converts and we see a period of peace will you return to the Catholic Faith?

Gee, MikeMac, I don't know what to think about this one?.

So, after Francis tears down what is left of hierarchal Church he converts ?

It seems so unlikely, but then again, God's ways are not our ways.

As far as the sequence of Popes go, I'm not buying that Francis is the real Petrus Romanus.

I believe St. Malachy only counted the Popes who were to come from valid conclaves.

Incredulous · « **Reply #52 on:** September 21, 2013, 10:17:19 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

I just saw another press release from the Fatima Center in which Fr. Gruner suggests that these popes who haven't consecrated Russia haven't had the "grace" to do; that we need to fast and pray more so that the act may be accomplished. Does Father throw it all back into the laps of us layfolk? We are the ones, apparently, who have not prayed hard enough or fasted long enough. IMO, these are gratuitous comments that needn't be made by Fr. Gruner.

I suppose he has to keep "fasting & praying" at the fore-front.

All the Marian apparitions indicate our collective sins are crying to Heaven for justice.

We can't even begin to imagine how extensive and bad they are.

Mama ChaCha · « **Reply #53 on:** September 23, 2013, 07:35:16 AM »

Perhaps this is not the correct place to add this, but because I stumbled on this myself, it may help others to understand:

New Catholic Encyclopedia (2003): “Mortification. The deliberate restraint that one places on natural impulses in order to make them increasingly subject to sanctification through obedience to reason illumined by faith. Jesus Christ required such renunciation of anyone who wished to come after Him (Lk 9.29). And so mortification, or what St. Paul calls the crucifixion of the flesh with its vices and concupiscences (Gal. 5.24), has become a distinguishing mark of those who are Christ’s.