Author Topic: What is Fr. Gruners angle? (Read 6807 times)

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #15 on:** September 17, 2013, 08:16:39 PM »

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Yeah maybe "Father" Anthony Cekada, "Father" Daniel Dolan, "Father" Donald Sanborn...

Watch your mouth. Father Cekada is a legitimately-ordained priest in the traditional rite. +Dolan and +Sanborn are Their Excellencies BISHOP Dolan and BISHOP Sanborn, respectively.

You might not like their views, but they aren't running around without being regularized and incardinated in a diocese like Gruner is.

Oh, and those mean, nasty articles that say that sedevacantism is wrong, how COULD you! Layman Mr. Gruner disagrees with my PERSONAL, PRIVATE opinion! Oh, no!

Funny... the MODERATOR of this forum and I happen not to agree on the recognize/resist position, which is why he and his family attend an SSPX chapel and I won't, at least not until I understand the nuances of the position better.

You don't see me making snide remarks about Matthew.

There are other people here with whom I do not agree concerning "baptism of desire/blood", etc, but I consider them Catholics and would not question their commitment to the Faith.

The fact that Gruner even exists is of no concern to me. I've never read any of his books or books about him, and his efforts or opinions or tactics or whatever mean ZERO to me as concerns Our Lady's messages at Fatima.

I am absolutely convinced that the messages at Fatima represent one of the crucial, final revelations from Heaven regarding what will happen if mankind, particularly Catholics, continue in sin and indifference.

I pray the Rosary daily. I offer prayers for the holy souls in Purgatory. I am vigilant in making every effort to catechize my children and prepare my whole family for reception into full communion with Holy Church.

Nicholas Gruner and his form-letter baloney and his

"this time, we're really going to have someone... um... LISTEN, and um, maybe even possibly tell someone to tell the Pope, and maybe we can get an audience, and, um..."

nonsense have never affected my belief in the Fatima apparitions and never will, at least not any more than any other layman would.

Incredulous · « **Reply #16 on:** September 17, 2013, 08:30:37 PM »

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"Fr." Gruner can "say" the TLM all he wants; he was not ordained to offer the Sacrifice of the Mass for the living and the dead. He is a presider dressing as a priest.

I had never heard this accusation that Father Gruner was not validly ordained?

Is the basis of the accusation only because the ordination was done in the post Vatican II ordination rite ?

If so, why didn't he get conditionally ordained ? He knows all the trad Bishops.

Incredulous · « **Reply #17 on:** September 17, 2013, 08:38:05 PM »

I have a problem with Father Gruner not publicly admitting the "Two Sister Lucys" conspiracy.

The visible evidence is overwhelming.

Father Gruner is said to have privately admitted that if he spoke about the "Two Sister Lucy's" it would negatively impact his Consiliar church donations.

Attempting to hide the truth and appease the Consiliar faction in their blindness is uncharitable and damaging to Holy Mother Church.

ggreg · « **Reply #18 on:** September 17, 2013, 08:49:38 PM »

Perhaps he does not believe in two sister Lucys.

Plenty of people don't.

Visible evidence is overwhelming to you perhaps.

To other people they both look like the same person.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #19 on:** September 17, 2013, 09:19:42 PM »

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I had never heard this accusation that Father Gruner was not validly ordained?

I had never heard it either. He is a properly and validly ordained priest as far as I am concerned. And, please, let's not make it incuмbent upon the man to believe in two Lucys. Enough already! :smile: