Author Topic: What is Fr. Gruners angle? (Read 6788 times)

hollingsworth · « **on:** September 16, 2013, 04:55:44 PM »

I've always admired and respected Fr. Nicholas Gruner for his constant and faithful attention to the Fatima Message over the years. But in recent times, some of that respect has diminished. He declared a couple of years ago that then Pope Benedict XVI was now "on our side," i.e on the side of traditional Catholicism. I don't think that this was the case then, nor has Ratzinger ever indicated as much since.
Now we've got Pope Francis. In a recent press release (Sept 7) from the Fatima Center, Fr. Gruner declares cheerily that Pope Francis "has had his entire pontificate consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima by the bishops of Portugal." "This shows," says Fr. G. , "how seriously the Pope takes the Fatima message, as did his two predecessors, who both made pilgrimages to Fatima."
One is forced to ask, then, why he doesn't consecrate Russia by name to Mary's Immaculate Heart. Are we supposed to take comfort in Fr. Gruner's assurance in this press release that Francis "will consecrate the world to Mary in a public ceremony" on October 13? I take none. The "world" has already been consecrated by two other popes. Do we need a third consecration of the world? I think not. And making "pilgrimages to Fatima" does not automatically establish the Marion credentials of these popes. After all, even the infamous Paul VI made a "pilgrimage" to Fatima.
Why does Fr. Gruner insist on painting this pope, as well as his two immediate predecessors, as pontiffs devoted to the Message of Fatima, when the actions of these three speak much louder than the words of Fr. Gruner concerning them?
I am beginning to think that Fr. Gruner has done with Fatima what the Jews did with their "h0Ɩ0cαųst." He has turned that hoped for event into an industry. Just as the Jews have turned their Shoah into the a "h0Ɩ0cαųst industry," so, I'm afraid, in a similar manner has Fr. Gruner turned that 1917 event into the 'Fatima Industry.' I hope this is not true.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2013, 05:35:18 PM »

Of course it's true.

"Fr." Gruner was installed as a pre$byter of the Novus Ordo organization. He is not a traditional Roman Catholic priest and never has been.

He has been drooling like an untrained puppy at the fake popes who have usurped the Chair since he was installed, hoping that they would make mention of Fatima so Gruner himself could get some face time on TV.

Face it... the TRUE message of Our Lady at Fatima in 1917 requires prayer, mortification of our flesh and its appetites, penance for our sins and for the conversion of sinners AND the acknowledgement that Russia's humanistic, Godless error would spread through the world if Our Lady's words were not heeded.

She has been largely ignored, even by traditional Catholics, and the punishments of the world and the chastisement of the Church have begun and will only get worse, because no one has taken their PART in that message seriously.

We've all spent so much time trying to parse the so-called "Third Secret", so much time printing and re-printing the WORDS of the message, so much time buying statuettes and parading them around and showing such outward piety.

It's all been for naught, because the ACTUAL PENANCE and true Catholic example that the faithful were supposed to set for the world hasn't happened satisfactorily enough for Heaven. Thus, sinners have NOT been converted to any great degree in decades, even the last century, and the perverts and criminals and heretics and apostates have crept into the Church while Her people dozed off and started caring more about belonging to the K of C and the Parish Picnic Committee than they cared about taking up their crosses.

Gruner has been right there all along, peddling whatever trinkets, booklets and "conferences" he can, all because it doesn't matter to him WHAT the people buy, as long as it has a "Fatima" sticker on it and it came from his "apostolate".

As far as I'm concerned, Gruner is no different than the Protestant hucksters selling "miracle hankies" on TV. They don't care whether your spiritual life works as long as your bank card does.

Kyrie eleison.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Gaudium in Space · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2013, 05:40:19 PM »

Well said hollingsworth!

I speculate that Fr. Gruner is aware that the Modernist VII Popes all greatly admire one another. Therefore he may be afraid of alienating the current Pope by criticizing John XXIII, Paul VI, JPII or Benedict XVI.

I suspect that this will not make any difference at all. They're Modernists, many of them don't even believe in Resurrection (as traditionally defined before the VII revolution).

for example, in Introduction to Christianity by (then) Fr. Joseph Ratzinger (1968)

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on page 349: “It now becomes clear that the real heart of faith in the resurrection does not consist at all in the idea of the restoration of bodies, to which we have reduced it in our thinking; such is the case even though this is the pictorial image used throughout the Bible.”

How can he truthfully recite the Creed?

How do you think he feels about Fatima?

mikemac · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2013, 11:14:07 PM »

Is this the thread where members come to post calumny. It seems like it.

Father Gruner says the Traditional Latin Mass Stephen Francis.

Father Gruner may sound a bit too optimistic to think that Pope Francis will do a proper Consecration of Russia, instead of the world again on Oct. 13, 2013. But after over 30 years at this apostolate his optimism and faith in what Our Lord and Our Lady said to Sister Lucy is probably what is keeping him going.

Our Lord Himself confided to Sister Lucy at Rianjo in August of 1931: “They did not wish to heed My request! ... Like the King of France, they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will already have spread its errors in the world ...”

Our Lady promised at Fatima, “In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, which will be converted, and a period of peace will be given to mankind.”

Below are parts of a letter that Father Gruner sent out on Sept 4, 2013 just before the last conference. By the way there were one day free passes to the conference available.

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"Fatima: The Path To Peace" could be the decisive moment.

I will tell you why: a bishop from Argentina - along with three other bishops willing to speak to Pope Francis - are coming to the conference. Their presence may tip the balance in favor of the consecration.

I am sure you know that Pope Francis has announced he will consecrate the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on October 13, 2013, the 96th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun. So, an act of consecration will happen.
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Bishop Emeritus Antonio Baseotto, former head of the military chaplain of Argentina, is coming to Niagara Falls.

Bishop Baseotto and the Holy Father were pillars of the Church during some of the most difficult years in Argentina's history. They have the sort of camaraderie that only brothers in arm possess.
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They [the bishops that will be at the conference] must know that the laity are with them as they tell the Holy Father - Russia must be consecrated - by name - with all the bishops participating.
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These bishops may actually be the reason Our Lady has allowed us to make this great effort.

We also have, for the first time, the endorsement of our conference by a Cardinal. Renato Cardinal Martino ... has held several Vatican posts during his career and he came to our last two conferences in Rome. At the 2011 conference he took my hand, and said, "Courage".

Now, he has officially endorsed "Fatima: The Path To Peace". This is huge. We have always struggled for recognition, to get our foot in the door of the Vatican, so to speak. Now, it is as though that door has been thrown wide open.
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Our Lady has blessed you with many things. Please, bless Her Apostolate with your presence at what may be it's most important undertaking."

Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph,
Father Nicholas Gruner

P.S. The bishop from Argentina - along with other prelates who have the ear of Pope Francis - are coming to "Fatima: The Path To Peace". And the conference has been endorsed by Cardinal Renato Martino. We have a Heaven-sent opportunity to make the Pope's consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart a consecration of Russia - as Our Lady wishes. Your presence, your support is vital to our success. Please, come to "Fatima: The Path To Peace". You will not regret it.

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So Father Gruner does have reasons to be optimistic. Personally I think Father Gruner's Faith in Our Lord is much stronger than most priests, bishops and cardinals. His Faith is definitely stronger than anyone that has posted in this thread so far. I love Father Gruner's optimism. He won't give up, like you guys have.

Geremia · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2013, 11:20:35 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

As far as I'm concerned, Gruner is no different than the Protestant hucksters selling "miracle hankies" on TV. They don't care whether your spiritual life works as long as your bank card does.

Fr. Gruner is under much attack and is on the verge of financial collapse.