Author Topic: What is Fr. Gruners angle? (Read 6804 times)

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2013, 03:52:44 PM »

Quote from: mikemac

Is this the thread where members come to post calumny. It seems like it.

Father Gruner says the Traditional Latin Mass Stephen Francis.

Father Gruner may sound a bit too optimistic to think that Pope Francis will do a proper Consecration of Russia, instead of the world again on Oct. 13, 2013. But after over 30 years at this apostolate his optimism and faith in what Our Lord and Our Lady said to Sister Lucy is probably what is keeping him going.

Fr.Gruner, although I doubt he is a true priest I will address him as Father, I believe he is sincere, but sincerely wrong. If he thinks Francis will do a proper Consecration of Russia he should wonder why Francis says things like this about Our Lady, taken from the "Novus Ordo Watch site".

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on September 11, 2013, the man the world believes to be the Pope of the Catholic Church gave a "catechesis" on the Church as Mother of all Christians -- and managed to insult both the Church, who is the Immaculate Bride of Christ, and the Virgin Mary, Our Lord's Immaculate Mother:

"The Church and the Virgin Mary are both mothers. And what can be said about the Church can also be said about the Virgin, and what can be said about the Virgin can also be said about the Church", Francis begins his instruction, before concluding the first paragraph thus:

"Do we love the Church as we do our own mothers, accepting her with all her flaws? Everyone has flaws, but when these are mentioned we try to cover them up! Do we help make her more beautiful and more genuine?

Instead of drawing a beautiful analogy to the Blessed Virgin Mary to explain how the Church is likewise spotless and untainted, Jorge Bergoglio instead accuses the Bride of Christ of being sullied with "defects" or "flaws" ("difetti") and, having pointed out that what can be said about the Church can equally be said about the Virgin Mary, makes people draw the necessary conclusion that just as the Church has flaws, so does the Blessed Mother.

Blasphemy! Heresy!

mikemac · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2013, 04:10:24 PM »

Yeah maybe "Father" Anthony Cekada, "Father" Daniel Dolan, "Father" Donald Sanborn, "Brothers" Michael and Peter Dimond and even "Bishop" Clarence Kelly and others can get together to do a proper Consecration of Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart. That should work, shouldn't it? (eye roll)

A "very good post"? If that was an example of what to expect from a very good post here then maybe I've come to the wrong forum.

Could this possibly be the real issue that's biting your but?
http://www.fatima.org/apostolate/vlarchive/vl135_0812.asp
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr80/cr80pg08.asp
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/feature-articles/Feature_-_The_Errors_of_Sedevacantism.pdf

mikemac · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2013, 05:07:37 PM »

I just about missed this one. Yeah this must be the one that's biting your but because it's written by Father Gruner himself from back in the summer 2005 issue # 80 of the Fatima Crusader. It's a good one.
"Defend YOUR Salvation"
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr80/cr80pg03.asp

ggreg · « **Reply #13 on:** September 17, 2013, 05:59:46 PM »

I am still waiting to see that supportive letter that Fr. Gruner said he received from Francis a few days after Francis was elected. The letter being sent to Fr. Gruner when Francis was Cardinal Bergoglio. I think Gruner said he had a couple of supportive letters not just one..

Even if privacy means he cannot publish them, then surely Pope Francis being so into Fatima and supportive of Father Gruner, which is what Gruner and yourself claimed those letters contained, supportive comments, not merely polite form letters thanking Fr Gruner for his large pack of Fatima literature; it should be child's play to get an audience with Pope Francis and have him regularise Father Gruner, at least, and maybe even get the consecration of Russia underway.

This after all is a humble and available Pope who cold calls people including his old car mechanic and newspaper seller. How hard can it be for Father Gruner to get an audience with him?

mikemac · « **Reply #14 on:** September 17, 2013, 06:21:40 PM »

We've been through this before Greg. Like I said at the other forum, either keep waiting or phone the Fatima Center yourself.