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trickster · « **Reply #70 on:** August 12, 2014, 11:07:24 AM »

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BTNYC. You know that you are provoking.

You know what I know?

Why didn't you tell us you were capable of reading hearts?

As for me, I'll stick to judging what is objective and not what is subjective. Fr Hesse never failed to stress that distinction. Did you pick up on it when you listened to him?

Yes I did BTNYC...but if I remember correctly, you were judging Poche and me indirectly through minimizing our conversation. I don't need to read hearts if I can read writing :) Fr. Hesse has some good points, but I would not hold all he says as absolute either.

Bruce

trickster · « **Reply #71 on:** August 12, 2014, 11:09:08 AM »

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That was great, but BTNYC, I think you have a good point, perhaps that N.O. conversation should of been taken over to Catholic Answers...

Oh, I tried that last year. I was banned for life from CAF for the crimes of fraternally correcting a Catholic who was incorporating Islamic prayers into his own prayers (a form of "inculturation" which I sincerely hope you disapprove of too, Trickster), as well as for calling Moselms "Mohammedans" (a term that was good enough for a millennium's worth of popes and saints, but not for the CAF moderators) and for calling Martin Luther a heretic (which is akin to banning me for calling an apple a fruit - it proves objectively that CAF is staffed by lunatics who not only deny First Principles, but will censure those who do not).

This proved two things to me; first, that the much vaunted "charity" and "open mindedness" of "progressive Catholics" has no more reality or substance than a phantom; and second, that debating with a "progressive Catholic" (read: a Modernist) puts one in the position of Alice debating with Humpty Dumpty:

When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

No, I support inculturation. That is a key building block for any kind of conversation with indigenous communities and the Catholic Church.

Bruce

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #72 on:** August 12, 2014, 11:12:52 AM »

Bruce,

Inculturation is garbage. Should a statue of Our Lady be placed next to a eight handed zombie or some other artifact from a religion of satan?

Inculturation leads to indifferentism.

Inculturation is also deception. A novus ordite pretending to respect other cultures when he has a quasi-conversion planned all along.

Our Lord said that the gods of the gentiles are devils. I'm sticking to that.

Cantarella · « **Reply #73 on:** August 12, 2014, 11:15:20 AM »

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Bruce,

Inculturation is garbage. Should a statue of Our Lady be placed next to a eight handed zombie or some other artifact from a religion of satan?

Inculturation leads to indifferentism.

Inculturation is also deception. A novus ordite pretending to respect other cultures when he has a quasi-conversion planned all along.

Our Lord said that the gods of the gentiles are devils. I'm sticking to that.

True

trickster · « **Reply #74 on:** August 12, 2014, 05:19:31 PM »

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Bruce,

Inculturation is garbage. Should a statue of Our Lady be placed next to a eight handed zombie or some other artifact from a religion of satan?

Inculturation leads to indifferentism.

Inculturation is also deception. A novus ordite pretending to respect other cultures when he has a quasi-conversion planned all along.

Our Lord said that the gods of the gentiles are devils. I'm sticking to that.

Then you miss the concept of inculturation totally. Inculturation (taking things from cultures and applying Catholic meaning) has been going on since the beginning of the church. Much of the form of the traditional mass was developed upon Roman buildings and rituals of those days...there's a new book that looks at that and I will have to find it.

Many of the Celtic mythological figures were renamed Saints in the initial conversion of Ireland..and so on and so on.. inculturation is not novus ordo .

Captain, I'd be interested in how you see inculturation leading to indifference.... to me and my experience the effect is quite the opposite.

In terms of all gods of the gentiles are devils may be true, but the gods of foreign cultures do not have anything to do with inculturation at least in terms of how we have experienced it in North America as indigenous peoples.

I didn't quite understand what you meant when you said a novus ordite ...has a quasi conversion planned all along...do you mean people become catholics or new order catholics become something of the culture they are in conversation with...I think both are true, the church becomes the people it absorbs within.

Good stuff, thank you Captn'

Bruce