Author Topic: Adult Confirmation Class in Novus Ordo Church (Read 19414 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:10:43 PM »

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we used to go to OLHC, however, I am not sure if they offer confirmation. it seems church in Arcadia , CA ( SSPX ) is the closest traditional place offer confirmation ? since, many of those independent traditional church do not have bishop ?

If you used to go to OLHC then why did you go back to the diocese parish? Don't you understand that the reason you have the correct answers to the stupid questions in these Novordien Feelgood Classes is BECAUSE you have learned about the True Faith and the Church Outside of which There Is No Salvation, and that's BECAUSE you learned about it at OLHC?

If not for Monsignor Perez, you wouldn't be any better off than the rest of the ignorant students in this prep class.

As for the bishop, how do you think Msgr. became a Msgr. -- by osmosis? He has a bishop. In fact, he has two bishops. Maybe you didn't know that.

There could be a lot you don't know if you don't show up!!

If you were still going to OLHC you would have heard the announcement about the upcoming confirmations in Arcadia, and that you can take the classes, prepare for the test, register your Baptism Certificate, and be approved for the SSPX Confirmation in May without having to go to Arcadia but ONCE -- for the Confirmation. You can do all of the preparations in Garden Grove.

You're missing out by not continuing to go to OLHC.

Why did you leave?

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Our Lady of Lourdes Chapel
Fr. Gerard McKee, CMRI
Web site: http://www.ourladyoflourdescmri.blogspot.com/
16010 Boyle St.
Fontana, CA 92337
Sunday Mass: 1:30 p.m.
Call (909) 829-0997 or (909) 841-8052

I know Vince and Pat Balderrama very well. She's very nice (so is he). I'll tell them "hi" from you............... unless you don't want me to, that is.

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Los Angeles

Actually, that's Santa Clarita ("Newhall" properly speaking), north of the San Fernando Valley, which is north of Los Angeles proper. Q of A is about 50 miles north of downtown Los Angeles, and 10 miles outside the city limits. Orange County is closer than Santa Clarita.

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Queen of Angels Church
Fr. Dominic Radecki (RevDominicRgmail.com)
Web site: http://www.queenofangelscatholicchurch.org
24244 Newhall Ave.
Santa Clarita, CA 91321
Phone:(661) 255-9849
Rectory: (661) 269-4943
Cell: (661) 618-0075
Sunday Masses: 8:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., 5:00 p.m.

I know Fr. Dominic very well. He's very nice, too.

Agnes Roma would be much more at home at OLHC, IMHO.

Agnes Roma is concerned with traveling to Arcadia.
Why would he want to go twice as far to Fontana or Santa Clarita????????

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:45:22 PM »

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thanks for many information.
what everybody said about Novus Ordo churches are very true.
we are familiar with OLHC ( Our Lady ) in Garden Grove, CA we used to go to Mass there and attended some of their catechism class by Mnsg. Perez.
Perhaps , best way to do is attend Mnsg. Perez class, hopefully, it may not be too late for May 25.

This is Friday, Feb. 28th, and Sunday is March 2nd. It's not too late.
Go to Mass at OLHC this Sunday and read the bulletin, listen to the sermon and announcements, and ask any questions after Mass that you may have.

You can still register and qualify at OLHC to be Confirmed this May in Arcadia. But if you put it off and procrastinate, you might show up there for Mass during Lent, for example, to find that you just missed the deadline. Don't wait. Go to Mass at OLHC. It's a great place for everything. There are people all over the world who wished they had a chapel like that nearby.

You don't know how fortunate you are!!!

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Many of the people who attend adult Catechism class does not seems to know much.
for example most people thought "Immaculate Conception" is conception of Jesus.

This error that the I.C. was regarding Our Lord in the womb of Our Lady was an error taught as early as 1960 at Jefferson Bellarmine High School in Burbank. So if it was taught there, it was probably making the rounds contemporaneously with Vat.II all over the world. Why not? Our Lady said that in 1960 the Third Secret would be clearer. Looks like She was right....... as usual! (I'd like to say "infallible," but I don't want to upset the sedes.)

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here in Southern California, we had some priest who are traditional, I have heard some priests such as late Father Johnson at St. Mary by the sea, and late Father Frederick Schell were not treated very well from their dioceses.

Two fine priests. The world is much poorer without them. One of Fr. Schell's greatest virtues was his ability and willingness to take individuals under his care to tutor them in the faith. He was all business and not a moment to waste. He had zero time for anything unimportant. But he MADE time for everything important. I can testify to this by personal experience. He put up with a lot and never gave any scandal to anyone. His life is a living witness to what holiness is and what it can be for each and every one of us. He made many converts and baptized many adults and children. He traveled the world. In eternity he will have a small army of faithful who owe to him their very salvation. God Bless Father Schell.

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I heard, late Father Johnson were sent to St Mary by the sea, at that time, that church was just about to close down, but Father Johnson build the church up increased membership, and even bought parking spaces next to the church. here in Orange County, CA, when priest retire, usually diocese place that priest some church and live there, but Father Johnson had to find his own place to live.

I also called "Our Lady of the Angels Church" in Arcadia, CA . they have told me, we have to attend the Mass at their church and register, to get confirmed there. it seems like there is no class, but person told me we have to take the test. she did not mention , we can take class at OLHC.

I'm not surprised that the office didn't mention that you can take the prep classes and register at OLHC. That has happened in the previous many years that this cooperation has been going on. Nor should you pester the SSPX office with questions about OLHC. Just go to Garden Grove and register and take the test and then you can go to Arcadia on the appointed day, with the other candidates and sponsors from OLHC, under Msgr. Perez, and be confirmed along with all the candidates from OLA, Arcadia, under Fr. Cooper, SSPX.

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my wife hs been listening to Michael Voris, and watched most of his class he offer in his web site "churchmilitant.tv" and took some class from Mnsg Perez at OLHC, so hopefully she is prepared, and educated.

Your wife became educated at OLHC by paying attention. If you keep going there you will keep learning. If you stop going there you could stop learning.

Just go there.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #27 on:** February 28, 2014, 05:10:10 PM »

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I was mistaken between Alahambra and Acadia
I meant SSPX church in Acadia

You meant to say, "Arcadia" not Acadia, I'm sure.

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according to SSPX web site, one in Arcadia is closest and only place offer Traditional Confirmation in Los Angels and Orange Counties area.

Yes, that's correct. But there is information MISSING. They're not telling you on the website about OLHC (maybe they should!), but if you go to OLHC you can find out. I'm telling you this so you can know about it, or anyone else who wants to know about it. This is a public forum.

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we used to go to OLHC in Garden Grove, they have good Latin Mass and Catholicism class, but I am not sure, if they offer Confirmation.

What they offer is the service of preparation for the Arcadia SSPX Confirmations. Fr. Schell had this arrangement with the SSPX and Fr. Prerez continues it. This has been going on for about 30 years already. It's nothing new. Sometimes the confirmations were in Colton SSPX. This year there are none in Colton but the Colton chapel and the Burbank Archangel Gabriel Chapel and the GG OLHC Chapel will all send their candidates to Arcadia for one event there on May 25th.

It could turn out to be a rather crowded church on that day.

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when I called church in Arcadia, a person told me, I have to be attending mass at their church in Acadia and register there also to get confirm at Our Lady of the Angels in Arcadia, CA

anybody know more about it ?

Do Not Call Arcadia asking about OLHC. Just go to OLHC -- you know the way there because you already have been there. Do you want a ride or something? You can probably carpool to Mass if you show up. There are people coming from 30 miles in every direction for DAILY MASS there. If all the Catholics would show up, there wouldn't be standing room for a mile for everyone (there are 2 million Catholics in Orange County). The SWAT team might show up, though, for crowd control.

(S.W.A.T. was developed in Los Angeles under "The Chief," Daryl Gates.)

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my wife say , our teacher is start to get irritated with us.

we are not sure, if we should continue to attend this adult confirmation class or not at this point.

do you all have any suggestion.

we usually attend Latin Mass offered by Diocese in Orange County, CA
but, we are possibly thinking about get confirmation from SSPX, but nearest SSPX church is in Alahambra, more than 1 hour away.

AgnesRoma says, "nearest SSPX church is in Alahambra, more than 1 hour away."

First of all, Alhambra (not Alahambra) is a city east of L.A. where it's the location of an Indult Mass with nice music and High Mass every week, but it's not the SSPX. SSPX has no chapel in the city of Alhambra. The only SSPX chapel within 30 miles of Alhambra is in the city of Arcadia, Our Lady of the Angels Catholic Church (not to be confused with Mahony's Our Lady of the Angels so-called cathedral, in downtown L.A.). Arcadia is another city in the greater Los Angeles area, located between the city of Pasadena and the city of San Gabriel (where there is a California Mission, built by Fray Junipero Serra*).

Second of all, Alhambra isn't "more than 1 hour away" from any part of Orange County, unless you're on a bicycle or taking public transportation.

Perhaps AgnesRoma uses the city bus to get around, and if so, going to OLHC in Garden Grove would be the perfect solution for Mass and Confirmation and everything else, to boot.

*Why Fr. Serra is not a canonized saint, when the likes of Fr. Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer (Opus Dei founder), or Sister Faustina Kowalska are, and John XXIII and JPII are about to be, is an insult to the truth. Fr. Serra walked the length of California's coast several times, on foot, and he was halfway crippled. He made thousands of converts. Due to his virtue and fortitude and benevolence and apostolic spirit, California had the Mass before it had the Gold Rush, and more missions than the Church had had ecuмenical councils. There have been many miracles attributed to Fr. Serra, so that's not the hold-up. He spoke Spanish, so it's not a cultural obstacle. It must have something to do with politics.

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As for posts like the following, do not pay any attention to them because there is a lot of disinformation going around. It should look like this:

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Angesroma - Avoid the novus ordo!

In S. California, you are basically on your own(baptism is necessary, confirmation can wait)(Fr. Cooper sspx/arcadia is your option for confession)(Fr. Hawker sspx/arcadia came from novus ordo and may have doubtful sacraments)(Msgr. Perez and company along with CMRI have doubtful sacraments).

You need to purchase the "catechism of the council of trent" by tan books, "open letter to confused catholics" by Abp. Lefebvre/sspx, "time bombs of 2nd vatican council" by Fr. Schmidberger/sspx, and "the sacred and the profane" by Bp. Kelly/sspv(presents the case against validity of Abp. Thus sacraments)(online download available for free).

Until you know what is going on in all of the traditional movement, apply the brakes!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #28 on:** February 28, 2014, 05:25:40 PM »

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Parish shop and leave that parish.

AgnesRoma already knows where to go: OLHC. He's already been there.

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A most likely scenario is the priest that allows this lay person to continue is gαy.

Before you leave, write a letter to the false heretic and send copies to the diocese and the priest.

Unfortunately, such letters often accomplish the OPPOSITE effect. I have known several people who wrote letters to the bishop or to Rome, complaining about a layman or a priest abusing his office, and the only thing that came of it was the layman or priest was then given MORE POWER to practice MORE ABUSE, almost as if the complaint letters were viewed as PROOF that the agenda was WORKING and that the liberalism was spreading as it "should."

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A lot of lay people who "take charge" in these lay orgs get a superiority complex, knock bozo off her podium. How long has this lay person been in the position ? Probably for years, and let me tell you right now, if you think you will be the first to bring up the issue, you are wrong.

In MANY cases, not just 'some cases', such 'BOZOS' are given more power and continue in their position BECAUSE of the complaint letters.

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Make your next Mass your last, write a check out for 1 penny to the priest retirement fund.

Why waste a good check? Why waste a good penny?

Just write a NOTE. Put it inside the donation envelope and SEAL IT. Write on the note inside the envelope the reason you're leaving and give some examples of the lies and heresies you have seen in practice there. Tell them how they're wrong and where their sin is. Don't mince your words. A good note will be far more effective than even one penny. They'll read the note. They'll just spend the penny.

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And don't let the fact that you invested time or are near Easter to bail, it will just send a louder message. Fire your sponsor while you are at it.

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PG · « **Reply #29 on:** February 28, 2014, 05:35:00 PM »

Matto - yes, you have basically heard correctly. But, I will rephrase it. Trad catholics reject his consecrations because they do not believe that he(post v2) was mentally competent. His actions lead one to believe that he was not in possession of his faculties. It is the sspv clergy and laity as a whole to be specific who hold to this.

"The nine" split over the issue of the validity of consecrations by Abp. Thuc. The split was not(as you may have been led to believe by Fr. Dolan and Fr. Sanborn) because Fr. Kelly(as the superior) "lorded" over them. They split because after a serious investigation into the consecrations(where they all agreed the consecrations were doubtful - which required them to be treated as invalid in the practical order), Fr. Sanborn flip flopped and decided to accept them despite what canon lawyers had taught concerning the relationship between mental state and validity.

The life of and consecrations by Thuc, the investigation of the consecrations by "the nine", and the events that followed are all thoroughly docuмented in this book(online copy) that you will not hear about on restoration radio(Bp. Kelly provides names and dates, and the gloves are off) -

http://congregationofstpiusv.net/SacredandProfane.pdf