Author Topic: Was Vatican II Infallible? (Read 5448 times)

Jamie · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2009, 03:47:47 PM »

Quote from: kamalayka

The irony!!!

According to the Church:

Schism (from the Greek schisma, rent, division) is, in the language of theology and canon law, the rupture of ecclesiastical union and unity, i. e. either the act by which one of the faithful severs as far as in him lies the ties which bind him to the social organization of the Church and make him a member of the mystical body of Christ, or the state of dissociation or separation which is the result of that act.

According to logic and reason (which you seem to place above God's pronouncements through His Church), YOU are a schismatic.

You separate yourself from Rome and join a tiny little group pretending to be the true church.

Good luck in hell.

Why are you allowed to say that I am going to hell, but I am not allowed to say non-Catholics are? And just for the record, I am not a sedevacantist - I believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope (which the SSPX believe also). You seem to think that all trads are sedes. Sedevacantists are a tiny minority of people who call themselves traditional.

Quote from: kamalayka

Quote from: Jamie

It doesn't matter how smart a theologian one is, to say anything contrary to the above (which is absolute and clear) is heresy.

You need to stop looking at the Bible to find excuses to ignore the infallible teachings of the Church - that is what protestants do.

I am not looking at the Bible only.

But, isn't it equally wrong to place tradition ABOVE Scripture?

When you do, you fall into the EXACT SAME TRAP as protestants:

You falsely interpret it!!!

Think about it sir.
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Now, for the umpteenth time, WHERE IS THE TRUE CHURCH?!?!

Is it Pope Michael?

Now, for the umpteenth time, IT IS IN ROME!

Of course it isn't Pope Michael - he is an anti-Pope. The Pope is Benedict XVI, now Gloriously Reigning.

I need to address your other point (which illustrates your extreme ignorance of matters Catholic)..

You ask if it is wrong to place tradition above scripture. Where do you think Scripture came from? Scripture is the child of Tradition! The thing that makes us Catholic and not protestants is that we look to the FULLNESS of truth - combined in Tradition and Scripture (understood in the light of tradition).

Jamie · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2009, 03:54:02 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

A short story to possibly undertstand Kam:

A fellow is around age 26 I know, we shall call him Thomas. He used to go to my parish and teach RCIA. One of the Prot-Catholic converts he instructed, we shall call him Paul, became a freind of mine.

Thomas is fine to debate anargue with Prots, but has rejected any materials, books, CD's,etc that in anyway questions V2. he now will not talk to me nor to Paul.....we are labelled, from what I hear "schismatics" and "conspiracy nuts"

The books I sent him and links-tossed in the trash and unread. Copious emails from me, Paul and others, ignored-he simply turns/twists words of V2 to fit anything-which of course is the problem with wording of V2 anyway...

He has stated he just wants to worship and does not want to dig any deeper than the surface...NO Mass, fantastic to him and prthodox.....V2, same, TLM,Eastern Rites, same.....

religious liberty-fine, V2 docuмents mean to him we cannot force worship....

He does not want to read, listen to or accept the words of those that were even at V2!! Like ABL..ABL has something to gain he says and is excommuncated....Williamson, is a conspiracy nut and schsimatic.....

So, that is the story.anyone seeing a parallel between Thomas and Kam??? Both will not dig, listen and can hold 2 opposing opinions at the same time....

I believe this is known as the "fruits of Vatican II".

kamalayka · « **Reply #42 on:** December 10, 2009, 03:56:39 PM »

Where is the story that describe you?

kamalayka · « **Reply #43 on:** December 10, 2009, 03:57:58 PM »

You can't force someone to worship God.

Boniface · « **Reply #44 on:** December 10, 2009, 04:01:23 PM »