Author Topic: Was Vatican II Infallible? (Read 5441 times)

Jamie · « **Reply #45 on:** December 10, 2009, 04:01:42 PM »

Quote from: kamalayka

You can't force someone to worship God.

Indeed you can't - but you CAN make it illegal to publicly worship false gods.

Syllabus of condemned errors:

15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. -- Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862; Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851. CONDEMNED.

77. In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship. -- Allocution "Nemo vestrum," July 26, 1855. CONDEMNED.

78. Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship. -- Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852. CONDEMNED.

Belloc · « **Reply #46 on:** December 10, 2009, 04:06:14 PM »

Quote from: kamalayka

Where is the story that describe you?

do what?

Belloc · « **Reply #47 on:** December 10, 2009, 04:07:00 PM »

Quote from: kamalayka

You can't force someone to worship God.

that is not what V2 said, most of docuмent written by people long know for indifferentism....see how cunning and ambigous it is!

CM · « **Reply #48 on:** December 10, 2009, 11:07:19 PM »

Benedict XVI is a heretic, and therefore not Catholic, nor the head of the body of which he is not a member. An usurper, an antipope.

CM · « **Reply #49 on:** December 10, 2009, 11:10:54 PM »

Unless you believe, as the SSPX does, but doesn't come right out and say explicitly, that a heretic can hold authority in the Church, be elected of God to have the force of Divine Law behind his decrees and teachings, that he can instituted ALL MANNER OF HERETICAL WORSHIP AND PRACTICES, just so long as he doesn't try to do it ex cathedra. But that is wrong.

Infallibility means that a pope cannot err AT ALL when teaching ex cathedra, but it is still a requirement that he be CATHOLIC in his public profession, that he not contradict the Catholic Faith in any way at all.

A heretic is not pope for goodness sakes!