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Offline SanskritCrayon

Thinking about attending the CSPV instead of the SSPX
« on: June 18, 2026, 10:40:55 PM »
My mother and I are thinking about attending the CSPV Mass around Rochester, Minnesota. The three reasons why we would like to attend a CSPV (Congregation of St. Pius V) Mass are: 1. they enforce modesty regulations, 2. there are no NO priests who have not been conditionally ordained, and 3. they are not sort of "in communion with Rome" in the same way that the SSPX currently is. The CSPV and the SSPV are essentially the same thing, I'm not sure what all the story behind that is. I know that they will deny Communion to people who attend Masses celebrated by priests in the line of Abp. Thuc. We don't do that so we should be okay. I'm not sedevacantist but I do think that the current popes have at least some degree of doubt about them, especially the two most recent ones. I do know that the SAJM says that it is permissible to attend sedevacantist Masses. There is a noticeable minority of people at our chapel in St. Paul, Minnesota, who wear improper clothing to Mass. They now have a picture of Fr. Pagliarani right next to Pope Leo XIV. Finally, I did get the paperback version of Sean Johnson's "as we are" book, and he is from Minnesota and goes to the CSPV. So that makes the situation more interesting. 
Is there anything we need to know about or do before going?
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Offline Michelle

Re: Thinking about attending the CSPV instead of the SSPX
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2026, 11:01:29 PM »
Quote from: SanskritCrayon on June 18, 2026, 10:40:55 PM
My mother and I are thinking about attending the CSPV Mass around Rochester, Minnesota. The three reasons why we would like to attend a CSPV (Congregation of St. Pius V) Mass are: 1. they enforce modesty regulations, 2. there are no NO priests who have not been conditionally ordained, and 3. they are not sort of "in communion with Rome" in the same way that the SSPX currently is. The CSPV and the SSPV are essentially the same thing, I'm not sure what all the story behind that is. I know that they will deny Communion to people who attend Masses celebrated by priests in the line of Abp. Thuc. We don't do that so we should be okay. I'm not sedevacantist but I do think that the current popes have at least some degree of doubt about them, especially the two most recent ones. I do know that the SAJM says that it is permissible to attend sedevacantist Masses. There is a noticeable minority of people at our chapel in St. Paul, Minnesota, who wear improper clothing to Mass. They now have a picture of Fr. Pagliarani right next to Pope Leo XIV. Finally, I did get the paperback version of Sean Johnson's "as we are" book, and he is from Minnesota and goes to the CSPV. So that makes the situation more interesting.
Is there anything we need to know about or do before going?
I had been attending the SSPX for about 30 years but after witnessing so many compromises I left last fall and started attending the SSPV in Chicago, two and a half hours away.  It is a mission and we meet at the VFW or local hotel.  They ask that if you are new to the Latin Mass to speak with the priest before receiving communion.  There are hardly any children at this mission and no parish life.  Maybe Minnesota is more populated.
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Offline SanskritCrayon

Re: Thinking about attending the CSPV instead of the SSPX
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2026, 12:08:51 AM »
Quote from: Michelle on June 18, 2026, 11:01:29 PM
I had been attending the SSPX for about 30 years but after witnessing so many compromises I left last fall and started attending the SSPV in Chicago, two and a half hours away.  It is a mission and we meet at the VFW or local hotel.  They ask that if you are new to the Latin Mass to speak with the priest before receiving communion.  There are hardly any children at this mission and no parish life.  Maybe Minnesota is more populated.
The location in St. Paul, Minnesota, even has a Divine Mercy statue in its bookstore.
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Thinking about attending the CSPV instead of the SSPX
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2026, 10:27:04 AM »
I believe Father Krug is the pastor or associate pastor. You will really like him.  He is cradle SSPV with (8) years of seminary formation, now (11) years a priest.
You'll find his sermons to be inspirational.

This is an impressive SSPV parish, from what I've read and heard. 

What you'll be assisting at, is the pre 1955 Liturgy, in accordance with St. Pope Pius V's Bull, Quo Primum.  

You will  be shedding the liturgical compromises of the "pope Bob una cuм " and the 62' Missal compromise with Msgr. Bugnini and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ satanist jew, known as pope Paul VI.  

And you will now be dangerous to the revolution because you have symbolically detached from their Kayfabe newChurch.

I don't particularly agree with the SSPV's flawed assessment of Archbishop Thuc's consecrations. They seem obsessed by it in fact and their bias came obviously from Bp. Kelly's judgement which neglected many important facts.  But if you are not considering a CMRI chapel, it may be of no consequences as of now.

BTW. Cabbage's recommendation of Father Voigt is the lesser choice.  He's a former NO Salesian missionary priest who was conditionally ordained by +W.  He is an independent priest, using the 62' missal and unfortunately his traditional priestly formation is less than complete.

Lastly, if you see Sean Johnson there, ask him to come on this forum and tell us what he thinks of the SSPV?  

:popcorn:
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Re: Thinking about attending the CSPV instead of the SSPX
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2026, 12:54:18 PM »
Nothing wrong with CSPV, just be aware that they never pray for the sovereign pontiff, either by name or otherwise. Rather essential for the indulgences. Also be prepared for a lot of other quirks. Fr Voigt is fine too but be prepared for other quirks in the confessional, and he still carries with him that certain novus ordo flair, like interacting with the congregation during the sermon. I mean nothing against him - there just have been some issues. No group is perfect. Valid Mass and sacraments with no modernism - just go for that and get out if you are traveling.
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