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Author Topic: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story  (Read 8751 times)

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Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2018, 07:45:17 PM »
Do you find it concerning that the government accused them of "Concealment of minors"?
I searched for "Concealment of minors tfp" and came up with nothing except the two sites you have presented? What evidence do you have for this accusation and why would you give more credibility to "the government" than to a great Catholic man who gave his life for the Catholic faith?


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Do you find it odd that the person who started this thread in defense of TFP has never been a member of Cath Info until today? This is that person's very first post.

Not at all. Any person who has an interest would join in order to defend the honour of TFP and Prof Plinio. One does not have to prove one's credentials to join CathInfo.
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The article presented seems make a lot of sense and portrays well the condition of the Church today and the terrible destruction that hes been perpetrated.
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I really cannot understand what is your gripe. You don't seem to me to have spelled it out.
Is your gripe with TFP, with TIA, with Prof Plinio? I'm puzzled.

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2018, 03:27:37 PM »
I searched for "Concealment of minors tfp" and came up with nothing except the two sites you have presented?
You bring up a good point; there is a huge difference between googling and doing research and examining the topic in context. Another problem is that 98% of the information on TIA's parent group, Tradition Family Property is in Portuguese.
If we could obtain the magazine Fidelity's May 1989 issue, we could both agree that TFP was condemned by the civil authorities for “inducement to flight, reckless transfer, and concealment of minors."
Lacking that, we are at an impasse. You choose to trust TIA's parent group TFP when they deny involvement in child-trafficking. Having read multiple reports of those who were tricked by TFP and who left, I don't.

According to this website:
https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/

the following information was reported by investigator Thomas Case in Fidelity, the monthly organ of the highly conservative Ultra-Montanists in its May 1989 issue.
   
    TFP had been repeatedly accused by the Brazilian authorities of “inducement to flight, reckless transfer, and concealment of minors”–and this despite TFP’s own slavish devotion to the military regime.

    Young men were alleged to have been deceitfully recruited by TFP, to be trained in their academies as “warrior monks” for the cause.

    According to the Brazilian government, TFP sought to obtain legal guardianship over the minor children of parents dedicated to TFP and then turned their sons against both them and the mainstream church, regarded by TFP loyalists as an institutional fraud


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Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2018, 05:53:28 PM »
Well, again, my impression of the TFP group here in the States is that they're a bunch of well-intentioned Traditionally-minded Catholics who are struggling with the Crisis just like everyone else.  There's never been any indication that they worship Plinio or his Mom.  Are they devoted to him?  Yes, to an extent, but no more so than many Traditional Catholics are to Archbishop Lefebvre.  Not a few Traditional Catholics have felt that +Lefebvre and +de Castro Mayer were the two witness in the Book of Revelation (I've heard that said).

I'd need more than just the activities of some rogue members of TFP before I could make a judgment about the entire group.  What's key in my mind is that Plinio tried to ban The Litany.  One could look at the SSPX from the outside, talk about all the splinter groups (various sedevacantists and even self-proclaimed popes like Pius XIII and Pope Michael) and make the same kinds of allegations against Traditional Catholics at large.

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2018, 06:26:28 PM »

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there is a huge difference between googling and doing research and examining the topic in context. Another problem is that 98% of the information on TIA's parent group, Tradition Family Property is in Portuguese.

I didn't "google" but if you have done the research you should be able to come up with answers to my questions and provide evidence for your accusations. Do you have a problem with Portuguese?

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You choose to trust TIA's parent group TFP when they deny involvement in child-trafficking. Having read multiple reports of those who were tricked by TFP and who left, I don't.
Nowhere have I said that I trust TFP. In fact I am most uncomfortable with their style. Just provide the evidence for the accusations you are making, that is what I ask. It is for you to provide the evidence. 



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According to this website:
https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/
the following information was reported by investigator Thomas Case in Fidelity, the monthly organ of the highly conservative Ultra-Montanists in its May 1989 issue.
Again, you can only come up with this site and unity publishing. In Christian Charity, provide the evidence or stop making unfounded accusations. These articles are all allegation, accusation and "according to the Brazilian government". 

Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2018, 05:06:52 PM »
. These articles are all allegation, accusation and "according to the Brazilian government".
TIA's parent group TFP was condemned by the Catholic Church in two nations, and condemned by the civil authorities in Brazil where both TFP and TIA originated -- for cнιℓd тrαffιcking. Several former members have spoken out against them, knowing well how risky it is to do so when leaving a cult.
http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=773
http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/index.php/2010/07/i-still-think-p/
http://www.unitypublishing.com/NewReligiousMovements/FatimaCult.html
https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/
http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/storia/gb17.htm
https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secret-catholic-exorcist-cult-in-brazil-is-making-a-deal-with-the-devil
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=342002
and then there is this shocking video: