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Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2018, 07:56:45 PM »
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  • Actually Nadir, I have repeatedly responded to your questions. It appears that I am the one who is wasting my time because you appear to be neither reading nor responding to my posts. One example among many:

    Hi Nadir,
    At the old CathInfo link you provided I found this video which I think provides a balanced view of TFP. Let me know what you think.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd85KMQte80&feature=youtu.be
    around 6:55
    I have reread the thread and I can find no answers to the questions I have asked.
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    Here they are:

    From Reply 5: I searched for "Concealment of minors tfp" and came up with nothing except the two sites you have presented. What evidence do you have for this accusation and why would you give more credibility to "the government" than to a great Catholic man who gave his life for the Catholic faith?
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    I really cannot understand what is your gripe. You don't seem to me to have spelled it out.
     Is your gripe with TFP, with TIA, with Prof Plinio? I'm puzzled.

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    And from Reply 10:
    Cera, the untitled video you find "shocking" is a series of 3 photo images of an unnamed man, while the speech is of an (the same?) unnamed man, with a subscript in English. Can you vouch that the script is an accurate translation. How much credibility can we give it?
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    Where is the evidence for child trafficking? It is not a minor offense. Can you present it?

    Maybe you sincerely think you have answered my questions by providing a few links and videos. I can't see the answers. Maybe you can identify your answers by quoting the reply numbers as I have.

    In regard to your other question. I have watched the video which deals with an altogether different topic and so is irrelevant to questions I have asked. You read into it something which is absent. This seems to be a particular habit of yours, 

    May I suggest a good examination of conscience and a good Confession paying particular attention to the eighth commandment.
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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #16 on: May 15, 2018, 09:46:05 PM »
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  • Hi Nadir,
    At the old CathInfo link you provided I found this video which I think provides a balanced view of TFP. Let me know what you think.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd85KMQte80&feature=youtu.be
    around 6:55
    Thank you for doing so much work on the TFP.  I find this extremely useful information.  In fact, I have been ignorant of the TFP.  I recognized names, and had a very vague knowledge of this, but this is very important information to know.  +Aquinas admits in the video that the tfp has an abnormal cult like devotion to plinio, and he avoided them as a result.  
    The pope is a heretical superior manipulated by the college of cardinals(judeo-masonry), and the lay college(tfp) are orthodox inferiors manipulated by the mother-son plinio duo(judeo-masonry).  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #17 on: May 16, 2018, 03:26:43 PM »
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  • Thank you for doing so much work on the TFP.  I find this extremely useful information.  In fact, I have been ignorant of the TFP.  I recognized names, and had a very vague knowledge of this, but this is very important information to know.  +Aquinas admits in the video that the tfp has an abnormal cult like devotion to plinio, and he avoided them as a result.  
    The pope is a heretical superior manipulated by the college of cardinals(judeo-masonry), and the lay college(tfp) are orthodox inferiors manipulated by the mother-son plinio duo(judeo-masonry).  
    Well said. And I think we know who the ultimate manipulator is.
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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #18 on: May 16, 2018, 03:53:34 PM »
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  • I have reread the thread and I can find no answers to the questions I have asked.
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    Here they are:

    From Reply 5: I searched for "Concealment of minors tfp" and came up with nothing except the two sites you have presented. What evidence do you have for this accusation and why would you give more credibility to "the government" than to a great Catholic man who gave his life for the Catholic faith?
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    And
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    I really cannot understand what is your gripe. You don't seem to me to have spelled it out.
     Is your gripe with TFP, with TIA, with Prof Plinio? I'm puzzled.

    .
    And from Reply 10:
    Cera, the untitled video you find "shocking" is a series of 3 photo images of an unnamed man, while the speech is of an (the same?) unnamed man, with a subscript in English. Can you vouch that the script is an accurate translation. How much credibility can we give it?
     .
     and

    Where is the evidence for child trafficking? It is not a minor offense. Can you present it?

    Maybe you sincerely think you have answered my questions by providing a few links and videos. I can't see the answers. Maybe you can identify your answers by quoting the reply numbers as I have.

    In regard to your other question. I have watched the video which deals with an altogether different topic and so is irrelevant to questions I have asked. You read into it something which is absent. This seems to be a particular habit of yours,

    May I suggest a good examination of conscience and a good Confession paying particular attention to the eighth commandment.
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    Nadir asks:
    “Where is the evidence for child trafficking? It is not a minor offense. Can you present it?”
    And Nadir asks the same question again in a different format.
    “I searched for ‘Concealment of minors tfp’ and came up with nothing except the two sites you have presented. What evidence do you have for this accusation and why would you give more credibility to "the government" than to a great Catholic man who gave his life for the Catholic faith?

    My response: This information was presented in an earlier post. Plinio Correa de Oliveira’s group, TFP, was condemned by the civil authorities in Brazil. This was reported by investigator Thomas Case in Fidelity, the monthly organ of the highly conservative Ultra-Montanists in its May 1989 issue.
        TFP had been repeatedly accused by the Brazilian authorities of “inducement to flight, reckless transfer, and concealment of minors”–and this despite TFP’s own slavish devotion to the military regime.
    https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/


    Nadir asks:
    “Cera, the untitled video you find "shocking" is a series of 3 photo images of an unnamed man, while the speech is of an (the same?) unnamed man, with a subscript in English. Can you vouch that the script is an accurate translation?”

    My response: I have already responded to this. Yes, I know enough Spanish, and he speaks slowly enough that I know it is an accurate translation. If you do know enough Spanish, simply take the portion of the speech in which Monsignor João Scognamiglio Clá Dias of the Plinio-worshipping TFP offshoot, “Heralds of the Gospel” says “Let it no longer I who live but Plinio in me who lives” and use Google Translate or ask a friend who speaks Spanish if that is truly what is being said.

     Nadir asks
     “Is your gripe with TFP, with TIA, with Prof Plinio?”

    You already know the answer to this which was in the OP:
    I used to be a fan of Tradition in Action until I noticed that they have the founder of their parent organization, Tradition Family and Property all over their site, and ooze with admiration for Plinio Correa de Oliveira. Plinio taught of himself that "Next to the Blessed Virgin Mary, Dr. Plinio is most loved by God. Hence, St. Michael the Archangel is his own personal guardian angel." This is from a former member whose entire statement is here:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/plinio-correa-de-oliveira/
    Some highlights:
    During the period of training which I received, I was taught:
       *  Dr. Plinio will never die. When his mission on earth is fulfilled, he will walk into an earthly paradise and then ascend into heaven.
       *  Dr. Plinio's mission is to defeat "the revolution," the Communistic and/or demonic forces which are corrupting the human race. He is the "pilgrim of justice" sent by God for this purpose.
       *  Next to the Blessed Virgin Mary, Dr. Plinio is most loved by God. Hence, St. Michael the Archangel is his own personal guardian angel.
       *  Dr. Plinio has the power to read a man's soul in order to determine if he possesses "Tau," the vocation and quality to fight the revolution. He is even supposed to be able to make this determination from viewing a photograph. "Tau" can be found only in males.
       * Members of the TFP are required to pledge their allegiance to Dr. Plinio. They make a consecration of slavery to the Blessed Mother and to Dr. Plinio. So highly regarded is Dr. Plinio that we were encouraged to kiss one of his hats that had come into our possession. And we kept a special room set aside for him where we had a special bed raised on a platform above the floor.

    Nadir, I will pray for you if you are truly seeking the truth about this problem. And I will pray even harder for you if you are yourself a Plinio-worshipper.
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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #19 on: May 16, 2018, 03:55:24 PM »
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  • Actually Nadir, I have repeatedly responded to your questions. It appears that I am the one who is wasting my time because you appear to be neither reading nor responding to my posts. One example among many:

    Hi Nadir,
    At the old CathInfo link you provided I found this video which I think provides a balanced view of TFP. Let me know what you think.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd85KMQte80&feature=youtu.be
    around 6:55
    Nadir, did you ever check out this video. I think you will find that it gives a balanced view of the problem.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary


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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #20 on: May 16, 2018, 04:53:45 PM »
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  • Nadir, did you ever check out this video. I think you will find that it gives a balanced view of the problem.
    See Reply 15 penultimate paragraph. I appreciate your prayers for me. I do need them.

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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #21 on: October 31, 2018, 03:59:24 AM »
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  • I believe those accusations were the works of the devil.
    Because he couldn't find faults with the teachings and publications of the TFP, he spreaded ridiculous calumnies about them which were not based on evidence.
    Our Lord said you can know something by its fruits. The fruits are always correlated with the sanctity of a soul. The TFP actually has done a lot of good for the Church - for examples: Annual Public Rosary Rally, Promotion of the Rosary, Promotion of devotion to Our Lady, etc.

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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #22 on: October 31, 2018, 09:11:09 AM »
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  • I believe those accusations were the works of the devil.
    Because he couldn't find faults with the teachings and publications of the TFP, he spreaded ridiculous calumnies about them which were not based on evidence.
    Our Lord said you can know something by its fruits. The fruits are always correlated with the sanctity of a soul. The TFP actually has done a lot of good for the Church - for examples: Annual Public Rosary Rally, Promotion of the Rosary, Promotion of devotion to Our Lady, etc.

    While I cannot say that the substance of all criticisms against TFP are false, I have in fact seen a number of calumnies against them exposed.

    Dom Aquinas said that the big issue Bishop Castro de Mayer had with TFP was the Plinio personality cult.  At least in the US, that "cult" doesn't seem to go beyond the same kind of devotion Traditional Catholics have towards Archbishop Lefebvre.


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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #23 on: November 07, 2018, 01:16:38 AM »
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  • Do you believe the rumors that the TFP kill their wives and eat babies? I thought it was a joke, but some TFP people told me recently that these are actual claims some people have spread.

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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #24 on: November 07, 2018, 05:09:13 PM »
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  • Do you believe the rumors that the TFP kill their wives and eat babies? I thought it was a joke, but some TFP people told me recently that these are actual claims some people have spread.
    Ha ha. Look up "false flag."
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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #25 on: November 07, 2018, 05:20:46 PM »
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  • Ha ha. Look up "false flag."

    And yet you believe everything you hear that backs up your disdain for TFP.  I'd love to find out the motivation for this crusade you have.


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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #26 on: November 07, 2018, 05:29:27 PM »
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  • Since the entire website is in Spanish and I speak only a little Spanish (enough to know that sadly, the transcript is accurate), I had trouble tracking down the unnamed man -- but I found him! He is Monsignor João Scognamiglio Clá Dias
    seen here
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secret-catholic-exorcist-cult-in-brazil-is-making-a-deal-with-the-devil

    I love how you smear TFP with the activities of the "Heralds of the Gospel".  Heralds broke off from TFP and the two groups are in complete enmity with one another.  That's like trying to smear SSPX with the activities of the SSPV.

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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #27 on: November 07, 2018, 06:12:36 PM »
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  • You do realize that you are all debating with one woman.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #28 on: November 07, 2018, 06:39:52 PM »
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  • You do realize that you are all debating with one woman.

    What does that have to do with anything?  She's pasting in smear jobs, so they have to be addressed.

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    Re: Plinio Correa de Oliveira - Another Side of the Story
    « Reply #29 on: November 07, 2018, 07:22:37 PM »
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    The minions of the devil don't need any human organization to tell them what to do because the devil puts ideas into their minds.
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    I believe those accusations were the works of the devil.  Because he couldn't find faults with the teachings and publications of the TFP, he spread ridiculous calumnies about them which were not based on evidence.

    Our Lord said you can know something by its fruits. The fruits are always correlated with the sanctity of a soul.

    The TFP actually has done a lot of good for the Church - for example:

    Annual Public Rosary Rally, Promotion of the Rosary, Promotion of devotion to Our Lady, etc...
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    ... Public demonstrations against blasphemies such as profanation of images of Our Lady and Our Lord, 
    outspoken opposition to abortion and the overt practice of satanism such as in Oklahoma City recently as well as elsewhere,
    against the showing of movies that are inimical to the true Faith of Catholics and immoral legislation... etc...
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    In many ways the TFP has picked up where the League of Decency left off, and that was 50 years ago! 
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    Perhaps it would be prudent for Cera to seek the services of a good exorcist.
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