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Offline AnthonyPadua

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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2024, 08:20:00 AM »
If we assume that +Vigano is sincere and not an infiltrator, then his conditional consecration provided him with the full effects of his office and we are witnessing the power of grace…
I really hope he is sincere, hopefully things can improve. I wonder if he will ever address Geocentrism, EENS and other issues if he ever becomes Pope. A strong Bishop who does not care about what (((science))) thinks and stands up for Catholic truth would be a wonderful blessing.

Offline AnthonyPadua

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2024, 08:23:26 AM »
Pay attention now, Stubborn, Meg, et al.  This is exactly what I've been writing here for years.
+Vigano is spot on that the R&R types who promote the notion that the Church can teach error and become an instrument for the ruination of souls are guilty of heresy/schism.  I've stated that it's nothing more than thinly-veiled Old Catholicism.


What's this? Vigano is the Pope??


Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2024, 08:24:55 AM »
What's this? Vigano is the Pope??

LOL ... no.  Some Eastern Rite bishops a few years ago declared Bergoglio deposed, held a conclave and elected +Vigano pope.  Obviously not legitimate, but I enjoy watching it by way of some kind of fantasy.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2024, 08:37:17 AM »
If we assume that +Vigano is sincere and not an infiltrator, then his conditional consecration provided him with the full effects of his office and we are witnessing the power of grace…

Yes.  When people were skeptical of how +Vigano could have spent all those years in the Conciliar Church and then suddenly converted, I hypothesized that it was because when he went into hiding after the McCarrick incident, he took advantage of the Motu to start offering the Tridentine Mass, and we know that the Mass is the best teacher of the faith.  Given the time to pray and offer the Mass, this led to his conversion to Traditional Catholicism.  +Vigano later confirmed that it was exactly what happened.

In terms of his potentially being an infiltrator, I always ask the old question of cui bono?  What nefarious purpose would it have served for +Vigano to go through the process he's gone through.  Some speculated that he would ordain dubious priests ... but then he received conditional consecration.  Some speculated that he's be roping people into the Conciliar Church.  It's been the opposite.  He's actually been gradually leading conservative Novus Ordite types toward Traditional Catholicism and away from the Conciliar Church.  Given his fame / notoriety, due to the McCarrick situation, and then his letter to Trump, he caught the attention of Trad, Inc. and gained a following.  +Vigano is a brilliant man, and was trained as a diplomat, so he's well aware of the influence he has.  He takes gradual steps because he doesn't want to "lose" anybody by going from 0 to 60 instantly.  Everything he puts out is well thought through, every word of it, for its potential impact and influence.  He's undermining the major premise of many Conciliars who believe that V2 was OK and good, but has just been abused by the likes of Bergoglio.  He referred to the people who think this was as "Montinians".  More and more you start seeing conservative Novus Ordites questioning V2 itself, which has always been considered verboten.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2024, 08:41:02 AM »
I really hope he is sincere, hopefully things can improve. I wonder if he will ever address Geocentrism, EENS and other issues if he ever becomes Pope. A strong Bishop who does not care about what (((science))) thinks and stands up for Catholic truth would be a wonderful blessing.

I see absolutely no reason to question his sincerity.  If he isn't sincere, then what nefarious agenda would he be accomplishing with all this?  If anyone could be suspected of being a gate-keeper, it would be Athanasius Schneider ... who keeps trying to persuade everyone to remain "subject to" Jorge.

There's hope of his addressing the EENS issue for sure.  In his letter of June 9 2020 when he first came out as criticizing Vatican II, he concluded the letter with a citation from the Athanasian Creed about how no one who does not hold the faith can be saved.

He has a very good mind, and soon he'll figure out that the root problem is the new ecclesiology and soteriology of Vatican II, resulting from EENS-denial.

See the language even in this latest statement.
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I could not conceive of a single moment of my life outside this one Ark of salvation, which Providence has constituted as the Mystical Body of Christ, in submission to its Divine Head and to His Vicar on earth.