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Is it a sin to be disappointed of the Catholic Church
« on: Yesterday at 12:52:57 PM »
In the nation where I live, becoming a Christian is prohibited and considered a crime. If we come to light, we will be beheaded. Fear of persecution prevents the Catholic Church from preaching or baptizing. Many priests were murdered by the crowd for converting Muslims. Thus, we are trapped in a cycle of loneliness and terror. As new Catholics, we are not allowed to be married, live, or get baptized. Although we are legally Muslims, we secretly identify as Catholics. We don’t know what to do. I am disappointed.

Re: Is it a sin to be disappointed of the Catholic Church
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 01:10:18 PM »
Yes I understand that there are many catholics in the east that do this. I for one think this is a great crime that pretty much cries to heaven for vengeance.

You have an absolute right to baptism if you desire it and have the right dispositions. So go find another priest, and if you cant do that, you can ask anyone to baptize you. They dont even have to be baptized themselves.

You are in an extraordinary situation, and I would not say the same to someone in the west. But such is the problem with Muslim countries and Holy Mother Church is merciful.

So HURRY! Get baptized before it's too late and the devil robs you of this grace!


Re: Is it a sin to be disappointed of the Catholic Church
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 01:44:57 PM »
Yes, be baptized by anyone if necessary, as Tom described. Indeed, Holy Church is merciful, the Church has taught in cases of necessity anyone, even a Muslim or atheist, can baptize.

From an old Irish Catholic prayer book:

“Whilst pouring common water on the head or face of the infant [or adult in extraordinary circuмstances], pronounce the words, I baptise thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.“

May the good Lord and His holy Mother Mary be with you, and please be assured of my prayers! 


Re: Is it a sin to be disappointed of the Catholic Church
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 01:58:15 PM »
In the nation where I live, becoming a Christian is prohibited and considered a crime. If we come to light, we will be beheaded. Fear of persecution prevents the Catholic Church from preaching or baptizing. Many priests were murdered by the crowd for converting Muslims. Thus, we are trapped in a cycle of loneliness and terror. As new Catholics, we are not allowed to be married, live, or get baptized. Although we are legally Muslims, we secretly identify as Catholics. We don’t know what to do. I am disappointed.

Even though your post grieves me to the heart, it also rejoices me because I often wonder how many Muslims would convert to Catholicism if they weren't so violently persecuted. Indeed, the measures of persecution are so incomprehensibly violent precisely because a mass conversion is simmering just under the societal surface. I do believe that.

It seems to me that you live in a state of perpetual extremis, and that would justify your being baptized by someone other than a priest. If you know anyone whom you can trust and who is willing, you may be baptized this way. All you need are pure water, the correct formula, and the intention of the minister to do what the Church does.

Now the title of your thread is interesting. Consider that you are suffering terrible persecution at the hands of the Church's enemies, pursuant to two agencies. One is that of her declared enemies from outside of Her, and the other is that of wolves in sheep's clothing who profess to be a part of Her, and are not. 

Temptations against Faith are real. Disappointment in God and in the Church are always lurking at the doors, awaiting opportunities to enter the citadel of the soul.

It is good to take consideration within yourself, in order that you might recognize the mighty operation of grace within you. The Lord Jesus said, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you." This is literally true in every Catholic soul, yet how much more profoundly in a soul subjected to your particular dangers and miseries? That you carry the Faith in your earthen vessel and in your heart is a true miracle of extraordinary grace. Take consolation from that.

St. Peter says that, you, "by the power of God, are kept by faith unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein you shall greatly rejoice, if now you must be for a little time made sorrowful in divers temptations: That the trial of your faith (much more precious than gold which is tried by the fire) may be found unto praise and glory and honour at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, you love: in Whom also now, though you see Him not, you believe: and believing shall rejoice with joy unspeakable and glorified; Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your soul."

Analogously, you see not the Church, but you love Her, you believe in Her. Perseverance in this belief has a reward - the salvation of your soul, and a joy unspeakable and glorified.

The Lord Jesus said, "Blessed are they who believe without seeing." Even we western Catholics, who are free to follow Christ in public (so far), are tempted to desolation because of what has happened to Holy Mother Church. Though we are physically free, we cannot see Her either, except interiorly. Many in the west who have remained free, nevertheless abandoned Christ and the Church, because they could not take the persecution flowing out of the anti-council of the 1960's. They could learn a great lesson from you.

Get baptized, and prepare for your death. And for all the time remaining to you, persevere. I say to you that you will obtain the grace of final perseverance from the Blessed Virgin Mary. Be intensely devoted to Her Rosary - all 15 Decades, every single day. You can pray it in the secret of your heart, and it will bud forth into a veritable fountain of living water, as long as you are faithful to this practice. 

Re: Is it a sin to be disappointed of the Catholic Church
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 02:14:55 PM »
There are a two ways to enter the Church through Baptism:
    Private Baptism
The bare necessity for Baptism -- and the procedure used to baptize someone in an emergency -- is to say the following words while pouring clean water (hot or cold, fresh or salt -- though cold and fresh is preferred) over the forehead of the one to be baptized. The water must touch and flow over the skin of the head:
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I baptize thee in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

Latin:
Ego te baptizo in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.
Small variations may occur in this formula -- e.g., the use of "christen" for "baptize," "you" instead of "thee," "Holy Spirit" instead of "Holy Ghost," etc. -- but "baptize" or "christen" must be used in the English language, the Most Holy Trinity must be invoked using their Biblical titles, water must be used, it must be at least poured over the forehead such that it touches the skin (immersion, of course, is fine, too), and the words of Baptism must be said as the water is being poured or as the person is being immersed. However, the form written above is the precise method that should be encouraged and that every Catholic should know and teach their children in case they ever find themselves in the position of having to administer the Sacrament to someone in emergency need. Ideally, there should be a triple pouring or immersion -- once during each invocation of a Divine Person (e.g., "I baptize thee in the Name of the Father [pour] and of the Son [pour] and of the Holy [pour] Ghost").

If there is any doubt that Baptism validly took place, that is, according to the method above, a "conditional Baptism" is later administered. A conditional Baptism is also the style of private Baptism used when baptizing someone who is not sure he is baptized. The words of a conditional Baptism are:
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If thou art not baptized, I baptize thee in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Latin:
Si non es baptizatus (-a), ego te baptizo in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.
Again, private Baptism should always be followed, if possible, by the formal Solemn Rite of Baptism.

https://www.fisheaters.com/baptism2.html

https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/laymen-baptisms/