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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 01:36:35 PM »
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  • Tradition is indeed living, but only in the sense that lesser (small “t”) traditions can develop in a homogeneous way, never by mutation or rupture. The error of historicism falsely concludes that “we are in different times,” as if truth itself could change. In reality, the crisis remains objectively the same as it was in Archbishop Lefebvre’s day, and he already provided the clear Catholic answers to it. Those answers remain valid because they were drawn from what Eternal Rome had already settled long before the Second Vatican Council. A handful of faithful Resistance priests continue this same fidelity today, preserving the unbroken attitude of the past thirty years.
    Personally I think that if you stick to what you think is the right opinion decided by only one person, then your view of the situation gets very narrow.

    You are correct Truth does not change, but how it is applied to different situations needs to be addressed.  We are no longer living under Pope John Paul 2, we currently have Pope Leo XIV who has down graded Our Lady.  Do you think +Lefebvre would react the same way to both Popes?
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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 01:43:54 PM »
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  • I'm going to step in here and defend the sedevacantists because my gripe is only with the dogmatic ones.

    The issue is not that it is "not traditional". It is a legitimate theological opinion. And its not about "keeping it to themselves".

    The issue is those who make it a dogma.

    Such a silly response as yours is why so many of them turn dogmatic. You make them feel like they are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs or something.
    Not that you care, but I appreciate this tone much better than the one you were using to castigate +Thuc. We all have are hot buttons of who we think destroyed the traditional movement. And being dogmatic on any stance does not seem logical, because there is no authority to decide who is correct.
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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 02:05:35 PM »
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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #48 on: Yesterday at 02:07:23 PM »
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    That was a quick edit Tom, forgot to switch accounts? :popcorn:
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 02:09:16 PM »
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  • I sincerely hope, for the sake of His Excellency’s soul, that this take is not true. And if it is, may it be the result of weakness or confusion in his later years rather than deliberate deceit. It is far more charitable to believe that he succuмbed to liberal influences or infirmity than to think he acted as a conscious infiltrator against the Faith.
    He was not guilty of liberalism.


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #50 on: Yesterday at 02:16:17 PM »
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  • It's just another Bishop of the Thuc line.

    So... Is it your position that if a bishop does anything bad that the bishop from whom that bishop descended is to blame?  I hope the Apostles realize that all the heresies and schisms perpetuated by bishops of their lines are their fault!

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #51 on: Yesterday at 02:18:13 PM »
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  • So... Is it your position that if a bishop does anything bad that the bishop from whom that bishop descended is to blame?  I hope the Apostles realize that all the heresies and schisms perpetuated by bishops of their lines are their fault!
    Absolutely not.

    The position I have is very simple.

    That Thuc and his sacraments have obviously bad fruits. They cannot possibly be where the remnant is. 

    Rather the resistance is.

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 03:09:58 PM »
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  • That Thuc and his sacraments have obviously bad fruits. They cannot possibly be where the remnant is.

    Rather the resistance is.
    I thought your position was that Thuc was invalid?  The idea of 'bad fruits' is a separate argument altogether.


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
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  • I'm going to step in here and defend the sedevacantists because my gripe is only with the dogmatic ones.

    The issue is not that it is "not traditional". It is a legitimate theological opinion. And its not about "keeping it to themselves".

    The issue is those who make it a dogma.

    Such a silly response as yours is why so many of them turn dogmatic. You make them feel like they are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs or something.

    Of course you are going to defend them - your own stance is not much different; a novel stance that claims it is more Catholic than any other Catholic. And yes it is novel. The Church does not teach and has never taught sedevacantism. So I repeat, it is a perceived theological opinion, not a real one. As a parish we have already had a gutful of Sede's trying to push their opinions on us as if they were dogmas. So, yes, it is about keeping their errors to themselves for the overall good of the parish. No one wants their children corrupted with this poison. What starts out as 'a discussion' always ends with Sedes trying to forcefully convert the faithful to their way of thinking and I have witnessed families break apart over this. This is because it is rooted in pride - "I know better". And it is the very same spirit that emulates from you - "Join the Resistance or you are not Catholic".  I have all the time in the world for Catholics who are tempted with Sede-vacantism - it is hard to understand how our recent Popes can be doing what they are doing - but when you start down that road trying to make converts to your position as if it was an established truth, I will treat you like an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The safety of our children demands it.

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #54 on: Yesterday at 04:22:12 PM »
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  • Ridiculous, Boru.  Sedevacantism isn’t a heresy.  Quit acting like a child.  

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
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  • I thought your position was that Thuc was invalid?  The idea of 'bad fruits' is a separate argument altogether.
    Potentially invalid, withe the bad fruits seeming to strengthen that opinion. At least telling us to steer clear


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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
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  • Of course you are going to defend them - your own stance is not much different; a novel stance that claims it is more Catholic than any other Catholic. And yes it is novel. The Church does not teach and has never taught sedevacantism. So I repeat, it is a perceived theological opinion, not a real one. As a parish we have already had a gutful of Sede's trying to push their opinions on us as if they were dogmas. So, yes, it is about keeping their errors to themselves for the overall good of the parish. No one wants their children corrupted with this poison. What starts out as 'a discussion' always ends with Sedes trying to forcefully convert the faithful to their way of thinking and I have witnessed families break apart over this. This is because it is rooted in pride - "I know better". And it is the very same spirit that emulates from you - "Join the Resistance or you are not Catholic".  I have all the time in the world for Catholics who are tempted with Sede-vacantism - it is hard to understand how our recent Popes can be doing what they are doing - but when you start down that road trying to make converts to your position as if it was an established truth, I will treat you like an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The safety of our children demands it.



    There is no other alternative.


    It is now practically an act of apostasy to go to the sspx.

    Lefebvre said very clearly he had learned his lessons and that Rome should be avoided.

    You are toxic boru. You know this deep down.

    Please leave us alone and go to the suscipe domine web forum where they will welcome you.

    Or do you thrive of all this attention?

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    Re: Go forth and LARP!
    « Reply #57 on: Today at 04:37:12 AM »
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  • Of course you are going to defend them - your own stance is not much different; a novel stance that claims it is more Catholic than any other Catholic. And yes it is novel. The Church does not teach and has never taught sedevacantism. So I repeat, it is a perceived theological opinion, not a real one. As a parish we have already had a gutful of Sede's trying to push their opinions on us as if they were dogmas. So, yes, it is about keeping their errors to themselves for the overall good of the parish. No one wants their children corrupted with this poison. What starts out as 'a discussion' always ends with Sedes trying to forcefully convert the faithful to their way of thinking and I have witnessed families break apart over this. This is because it is rooted in pride - "I know better". And it is the very same spirit that emulates from you - "Join the Resistance or you are not Catholic".  I have all the time in the world for Catholics who are tempted with Sede-vacantism - it is hard to understand how our recent Popes can be doing what they are doing - but when you start down that road trying to make converts to your position as if it was an established truth, I will treat you like an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The safety of our children demands it.
    I agree with you… the sede position is harmful and I know a couple of family fathers who have taken this route and in two cases it has destroyed their family. Older children don’t attend Mass anymore.