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Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2025, 06:51:40 PM »
I thought your position was that Thuc was invalid?  The idea of 'bad fruits' is a separate argument altogether.
Potentially invalid, withe the bad fruits seeming to strengthen that opinion. At least telling us to steer clear

Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2025, 06:53:48 PM »
Of course you are going to defend them - your own stance is not much different; a novel stance that claims it is more Catholic than any other Catholic. And yes it is novel. The Church does not teach and has never taught sedevacantism. So I repeat, it is a perceived theological opinion, not a real one. As a parish we have already had a gutful of Sede's trying to push their opinions on us as if they were dogmas. So, yes, it is about keeping their errors to themselves for the overall good of the parish. No one wants their children corrupted with this poison. What starts out as 'a discussion' always ends with Sedes trying to forcefully convert the faithful to their way of thinking and I have witnessed families break apart over this. This is because it is rooted in pride - "I know better". And it is the very same spirit that emulates from you - "Join the Resistance or you are not Catholic".  I have all the time in the world for Catholics who are tempted with Sede-vacantism - it is hard to understand how our recent Popes can be doing what they are doing - but when you start down that road trying to make converts to your position as if it was an established truth, I will treat you like an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The safety of our children demands it.



There is no other alternative.


It is now practically an act of apostasy to go to the sspx.

Lefebvre said very clearly he had learned his lessons and that Rome should be avoided.

You are toxic boru. You know this deep down.

Please leave us alone and go to the suscipe domine web forum where they will welcome you.

Or do you thrive of all this attention?


Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2025, 04:37:12 AM »
Of course you are going to defend them - your own stance is not much different; a novel stance that claims it is more Catholic than any other Catholic. And yes it is novel. The Church does not teach and has never taught sedevacantism. So I repeat, it is a perceived theological opinion, not a real one. As a parish we have already had a gutful of Sede's trying to push their opinions on us as if they were dogmas. So, yes, it is about keeping their errors to themselves for the overall good of the parish. No one wants their children corrupted with this poison. What starts out as 'a discussion' always ends with Sedes trying to forcefully convert the faithful to their way of thinking and I have witnessed families break apart over this. This is because it is rooted in pride - "I know better". And it is the very same spirit that emulates from you - "Join the Resistance or you are not Catholic".  I have all the time in the world for Catholics who are tempted with Sede-vacantism - it is hard to understand how our recent Popes can be doing what they are doing - but when you start down that road trying to make converts to your position as if it was an established truth, I will treat you like an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. The safety of our children demands it.
I agree with you… the sede position is harmful and I know a couple of family fathers who have taken this route and in two cases it has destroyed their family. Older children don’t attend Mass anymore. 

Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2025, 10:49:05 AM »


There is no other alternative.


It is now practically an act of apostasy to go to the sspx.

Lefebvre said very clearly he had learned his lessons and that Rome should be avoided.

You are toxic boru. You know this deep down.

Please leave us alone and go to the suscipe domine web forum where they will welcome you.

Or do you thrive of all this attention?


What does tradition teach us? :That leaving the established Church is an act of apostasy; rejecting the authority of the Pope is an act of apostasy. What does Mr. Gubbin claim as truth: to stay united with the established Church is an apostasy and to acknowledge the authority of the Pope is an act of apostasy. In other words, Mr. Gubbin advocates a total inversion of tradition - just like the first Protestants did.

Archbishop Lefebrve, on the other hand, consistently advocated the 'recognize and resist' position. So if my stance is toxic, so too is Lefebvre's.

Look, if you choose to take that risk and partake in a loose association without the safe guards of the Church, then that's your choice. But you must admit it is a choice without precedent and it is a choice fraught with immediate danger and an unknown future. For all its failings, the SSPX provide traditional sacraments, Masses, sermons, schools, community life. This in turn provides the stability and support families need to keep their teenagers close.  Do you have children Mr. Gubbins? Do you have teenagers? And if you do, have they stayed close throughout your journey with the Resistance? I know there are resistance families who have achieved this with exceptionally committed parents, but there are far more who have not. Therefore to claim that the Resistance is the dogmatic answer to the troubles within the Church is as wrong as claiming Sedevacantism is.

Re: Go forth and LARP!
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2025, 10:52:38 AM »

What does tradition teach us? :That leaving the established Church is an act of apostasy; rejecting the authority of the Pope is an act of apostasy. What does Mr. Gubbin claim as truth: to stay united with the established Church is an apostasy and to acknowledge the authority of the Pope is an act of apostasy. In other words, Mr. Gubbin advocates a total inversion of tradition - just like the first Protestants did.

Archbishop Lefebrve, on the other hand, consistently advocated the 'recognize and resist' position. So if my stance is toxic, so too is Lefebvre's.

Look, if you choose to take that risk and partake in a loose association without the safe guards of the Church, then that's your choice. But you must admit it is a choice without precedent and it is a choice fraught with immediate danger and an unknown future. For all its failings, the SSPX provide traditional sacraments, Masses, sermons, schools, community life. This in turn provides the stability and support families need to keep their teenagers close.  Do you have children Mr. Gubbins? Do you have teenagers? And if you do, have they stayed close throughout your journey with the Resistance? I know there are resistance families who have achieved this with exceptionally committed parents, but there are far more who have not. Therefore to claim that the Resistance is the dogmatic answer to the troubles within the Church is as wrong as claiming Sedevacantism is.

We are united with the Church. We do not reject any of the Church's teaching.
That is the first principle of unity.

The difference between us and the SSPX is that we choose to protect our Faith from those trying to undermine it. This was Archbishop Lefebvres "dying" wish. He made it very clear after his consecrations that we must not associate with Rome as long as they remain in support of Vatican II. It is dangerous and toxic to do otherwise. Not to mention foolish.