Author Topic: Fisher More College banned by bishop from saying Latin Mass (Read 11578 times)

poche · « **Reply #45 on:** April 20, 2014, 11:48:05 PM »

What has been the reactin of the students? :really-mad2:? :nunchaku:? :cheers:?

? :cry:?
If the students are apathetic then all our complaining won't do much good. The students have to want this. They have to fight for it. If they don't push for it then it will be gone forever.

Pete Vere · « **Reply #46 on:** April 21, 2014, 06:03:41 AM »

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What has been the reactin of the students? :really-mad2:? :nunchaku:? :cheers:? ? :cry:?
If the students are apathetic then all our complaining won't do much good. The students have to want this. They have to fight for it. If they don't push for it then it will be gone forever.

From what I have observed and been told, student reaction has been mixed. Some are fighting to keep the college open. Others have already planned or executed an exit strategy from the college.

One of the issues, I have seen, is that a portion of the college's base is concerned with the perceived R&R direction taken by the college over the past year. Thus some of the backlash has come from parents who are traditionalist but averse to R&R. The combination of Dr Dudley's lecture and Fr Gruner's appearance has led parents to take another look at trad-friendly conservative alternatives such as Christendom, TAC or Our Lady Seat of Wisdom. Thus to some degree I suspect R&R efforts to publicly brand Bishop Olsen anti-TLM may have backfired.

Is there sufficient interest among R&R to replace the non-R&R departures?

The largest R&R group in the United States is the SSPX, who already have a college at St Mary, Kansas. FMC is regionally accredited, but St Mary College is better established and supported among the SSPX.

As for the Resistance, Mgr Williamson has for the past how many years discouraged young women from pursuing higher education. So the R&R market is somewhat limited in the U.S., as far as I can tell.

poche · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2014, 10:32:18 PM »

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What has been the reactin of the students? :really-mad2:? :nunchaku:? :cheers:? ? :cry:?
If the students are apathetic then all our complaining won't do much good. The students have to want this. They have to fight for it. If they don't push for it then it will be gone forever.

From what I have observed and been told, student reaction has been mixed. Some are fighting to keep the college open. Others have already planned or executed an exit strategy from the college.

One of the issues, I have seen, is that a portion of the college's base is concerned with the perceived R&R direction taken by the college over the past year. Thus some of the backlash has come from parents who are traditionalist but averse to R&R. The combination of Dr Dudley's lecture and Fr Gruner's appearance has led parents to take another look at trad-friendly conservative alternatives such as Christendom, TAC or Our Lady Seat of Wisdom. Thus to some degree I suspect R&R efforts to publicly brand Bishop Olsen anti-TLM may have backfired.

Is there sufficient interest among R&R to replace the non-R&R departures?

The largest R&R group in the United States is the SSPX, who already have a college at St Mary, Kansas. FMC is regionally accredited, but St Mary College is better established and supported among the SSPX.

As for the Resistance, Mgr Williamson has for the past how many years discouraged young women from pursuing higher education. So the R&R market is somewhat limited in the U.S., as far as I can tell.

Are the students doing anything to bring back the TLM? Protests? Demonstrations? Letters and petitions?

Pete Vere · « **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2014, 11:50:22 PM »

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Are the students doing anything to bring back the TLM? Protests? Demonstrations? Letters and petitions?

That I do not know.

None of the students with whom I am connected are R&R sympathizers. Therefore they have either left or intend to leave at the end of this semester, regardless of whether or not FMC keeps going next year.

poche · « **Reply #49 on:** April 22, 2014, 12:06:55 AM »

We could sit here and complain but it is the students who have to act. If teh students dont do anything then it may be because they don't care. What a shame.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #50 on:** April 22, 2014, 12:45:39 AM »

Let the college close and join the ranks of the dusty forgotten.

Pete Vere · « **Reply #51 on:** April 22, 2014, 06:35:09 AM »

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We could sit here and complain but it is the students who have to act. If teh students dont do anything then it may be because they don't care. What a shame.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Given the nature of this controversy there appears to be students and parents on both sides of the spectrum. Of course those who are R&R are more likely to act to save the college, while those who are not R&R are more likely to have formulated and executed an exit strategy.

JPaul · « **Reply #52 on:** April 22, 2014, 08:15:00 AM »

Tradition and Conciliarism are mutually exclusive. Each one denying the other's right to exist. It goes without saying which is novelty and which is Catholic.
There is little to no hope of surviving under the apostate Conciliar prelates who now have papal approval and examples of eliminating the restorationists.

claudel · « **Reply #53 on:** April 25, 2014, 04:18:06 PM »

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Let the college close and join the ranks of the dusty forgotten.

That may well happen, whatever anyone's hopes or desires may be. Still, it's not an outcome I for one would applaud. The place was set up by eminent Catholic scholars who wished to put into active effect Saint John Bosco's beliefs and attitudes regarding liberal arts education, and its aim was to attract the very best, the most serious students and to make them something akin to what Paul speaks of in the epistle for Easter Sunday: new leaven for a decayed and collapsing institutional Church.

I certainly grant that had the college's founders and present masters been true R&R Trads instead of Reform of the Reform types, the college and its students wouldn't be in the present pickle.* That fact could hardly be plainer. But the present brouhaha over Dr. Dudley's excellent and thoroughly orthodox address demonstrates that people who work at emulating the saints are rather more likely to find themselves on the road back to the True Faith in its fullness than to Humble Frank's Open-All-Hours Vatican Cafeteria. Both the conciliar numbskulls and the avowed enemies of Tradition, having seen what the likely destination is and fearing that "wreckovation" won't work, are doing at Fisher More what they do best everywhere: demolition.

Puritans masquerading as Trads like to keep our numbers small, whatever they may say to the contrary. For true Trads, however, the cry will always be "the more the merrier." That's why I'd love to see Fisher More survive and why I'll lament its passing.
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*They'd probably still be in a pickle, of course, but it would be a different one.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #54 on:** April 27, 2014, 03:05:46 PM »

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Let the college close and join the ranks of the dusty forgotten.

That may well happen, whatever anyone's hopes or desires may be. Still, it's not an outcome I for one would applaud. The place was set up by eminent Catholic scholars who wished to put into active effect Saint John Bosco's beliefs and attitudes regarding liberal arts education, and its aim was to attract the very best, the most serious students and to make them something akin to what Paul speaks of in the epistle for Easter Sunday: new leaven for a decayed and collapsing institutional Church.

I certainly grant that had the college's founders and present masters been true R&R Trads instead of Reform of the Reform types, the college and its students wouldn't be in the present pickle.* That fact could hardly be plainer. But the present brouhaha over Dr. Dudley's excellent and thoroughly orthodox address demonstrates that people who work at emulating the saints are rather more likely to find themselves on the road back to the True Faith in its fullness than to Humble Frank's Open-All-Hours Vatican Cafeteria. Both the conciliar numbskulls and the avowed enemies of Tradition, having seen what the likely destination is and fearing that "wreckovation" won't work, are doing at Fisher More what they do best everywhere: demolition.

Puritans masquerading as Trads like to keep our numbers small, whatever they may say to the contrary. For true Trads, however, the cry will always be "the more the merrier." That's why I'd love to see Fisher More survive and why I'll lament its passing.
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*They'd probably still be in a pickle, of course, but it would be a different one.

Well, what was started and what we ended up with are two different things.

claudel · « **Reply #55 on:** April 27, 2014, 06:51:54 PM »

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Well, what was started and what we ended up with are two different things.

To speak of "ending up" is premature. The present plateau, shall we call it, is a situation where those who are moving toward the Traditional Faith are under attack. I don't expect things to "end up" well for them, but it's not for any lack of trying on their part.

There is a dire shortage of genuine Catholic institutions of higher learning. Unless one wishes to go the TradGuy20 route and trade in all the books for barbells and workout gear, dismissive indifference to the plight of people who are, whether they yet realize it or not, inexorably moving in our direction is inappropriate.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #56 on:** April 27, 2014, 07:03:35 PM »

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Well, what was started and what we ended up with are two different things.

To speak of "ending up" is premature. The present plateau, shall we call it, is a situation where those who are moving toward the Traditional Faith are under attack. I don't expect things to "end up" well for them, but it's not for any lack of trying on their part.

Claudel, I hope the best for this college but must wonder why people still spend so much more for a place that may actually be more of a spiritual danger than a secular college. In this current social climate, I would encourage a state school to a novus ordo school.