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Fisher More College banned by bishop from saying Latin Mass
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 09:01:38 AM »
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  • And this is a surprise because.......?


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    « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 09:12:52 AM »
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  • If he's gonna blatantly deny people the Mass of Our Blessed Lord to people who need it, I don't think he's even Catholic. What'll stop him from saying that people should pray a rosary to Muhammad or that everyone's fine in their own religion? This man is in no way qualified to serve people and will answer to God on his dying day for his perfidious act.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 09:21:35 AM »
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  • Back to the Tridentine Mass NOT Extraordinary Form.


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    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2014, 11:02:11 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    I do not go to this school, but if I had any association with it, I would no longer!
    If sspx makes an agreement w/unconverted Rome, this is what will happen.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2014, 12:03:37 PM »
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  • This is the new modus operandi for Francis' implementation of the Conciliar reform. Francis himself will remain, for the most part, officially unconnected with the brutal suppression of Tradition except when this nets him positive PR; that duty will be devolved upon diocesan bishops, bishops' councils, and various Vatican congregations who have been back-channeled the necessary instructions and who are willingly on board anyway. We have already seen this pattern emerge with respect to Kasper's intention to distribute Communion to the divorced and remarried. The preponderance of pressure will be on the side of liberal reform, and if any conservative prelate or layperson protests the new direction in the name of Tradition, Francis will simply tell him to ignore the bishop or council in question while himself doing nothing to discourage the liberalization. The Vatican will implement the Gramscian strategy of rule by consensus reality. There will be no accountability, no place to address grievances, but the voices of conservatism will succumb to a ratchet effect of frustration and marginalization. After the C8 conference (or whatever the hell it's called) and next year's Episcopal Synod, the Novus Ordo church will officially become nothing more than an affiliate of locally organized community centers.

    This will mean strange days ahead for the Resistance, who at that point will be stronger partisans of papal authority than the pope himself. Will they continue to recognize Francis as a legitimate pope, or will they finally adopt a sede-like position when they realize that nobody at all is discharging the papal duties, that there is some sort of pope-regent in the Vatican but no true pope? Perhaps the idea that Paul VI's rejection of the papal tiara was a de facto abdication and meant that neither he nor his successors ever legitimately held jurisdiction within the Church from that point forward, will be voiced with greater urgency.
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    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2014, 12:28:23 PM »
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  • This is PURE EVIL.

    I'm sorry, I saw the rorate piece and they called this Hound of Hell "the Most Rev" AND capital "B" bishop — in regard to Michael Olson, like they are begging Olson 666 for a favor by calling him honorifics reserved for holy men of the Church. No: rorate caeli can't do that and still retain the Advent prose name which begs for righteousness to fall from the sky; calls for Our Lord.

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    But a blog proudly alluding to the beautiful part of Isaiah used in Mass and the Offices can't honor a son of Satan who wants to GET RID OF THOSE WORDS! I thought rorate used to skirt the problem (not turning into Traditio; remaining in conciliar-land as a shining light for others stuck in the fallen conciliar thing) by using well-placed pronouns and a picture of the dude. Like, picture of Dolan, and "He said [list of blasphemies]".

    (I stopped going by rorate so much when they turned comments off so maybe they've made like Voris and jumped on the Bergoglio Bargain Bus).

    But to call an obvious poser in Church trappings anything that suggests he is part of the Church? What's next: are they going to start calling Bergogio's new BFF "His Excellency the Most Reverend Kenneth Copeland, Bishop of Tongues in LaLa Land"?

     :dwarf: I'm mad.

    (eta: good call, the post above this one by Man of the West)
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    « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2014, 12:37:01 PM »
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  • While it is unlikely to have any effect, couldn't the school appeal based on the Motu Proprio? Isn't it still supposed to be in effect?

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    « Reply #8 on: March 03, 2014, 12:56:20 PM »
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  • The Conciliar sect is once again moving to implement the ʀɛʋօʟutιօn and destroy the Catholic religion.

    There are non-Catholics occupying the chanceries, and the subversive in the Vatican is fully behind them.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 03, 2014, 05:38:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
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    I do not go to this school, but if I had any association with it, I would no longer!
    If sspx makes an agreement w/unconverted Rome, this is what will happen.


    The admissions office will sound like someone popped an airlock in the space station, come registration time.

    I wonder what they're gonna do with their FSSP chaplain?

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    « Reply #10 on: March 03, 2014, 06:09:03 PM »
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    I wonder what they're gonna do with their FSSP chaplain?


    He will get promoted to a more mainstream college to make sure that anyone on the road to Tradition there stays in their snares.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 03, 2014, 06:39:29 PM »
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  • I especially love the part about how he's doing it for the good of their souls, ya know, out of his great pastoral solicitude and all that.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 03, 2014, 07:40:15 PM »
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    While it is unlikely to have any effect, couldn't the school appeal based on the Motu Proprio? Isn't it still supposed to be in effect?

    Luke


    The Motu Proprio allows for priests to privately say the 1962 Mass, even if some of the faithful attend.  This being a publicly scheduled service, the bishop is within his rights, according to the Conciliar church's law, to forbid it.

    This is what happens to anyone or any institution that puts themselves under the jackboot of that non-Christian sect.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 03, 2014, 11:04:27 PM »
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    I wonder what they're gonna do with their FSSP chaplain?
    He left months ago. There're rumors an SSPX priest has filled-in since then, which would explain why the ravening wolf Olson took such extreme measures as using Holy Mass as a form of punishment.
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    « Reply #14 on: March 03, 2014, 11:28:17 PM »
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  • This is the diocesan side of this story...basically the diocese is mad because the SSPX will be running this school soon...

    http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/fisher-more-denied-ability-to-offer-tlm/

    Fisher-More denied ability to offer TLM
    March 3, 2014

    Some commenters already brought this up in another post, but Rorate has a screaming headline concerning Fisher-More College in Ft. Worth, and some decision by the Diocese of Fort Worth to deny Fisher-More the ability to have the Traditional Latin Mass on campus.

    You guys know how much I respect Rorate.  But I think in this case their zeal for the TLM, and perhaps a less than full understanding of the situation, may have skewed their coverage a bit.

    As commenter Skeinster noted, there are problems at Fisher-More.  Problems so severe, I privately regretted having supported their fundraising drive last fall (I had heard inklings at the time I gave that support, but came to know much, much more shortly thereafter).

    A lot of people who live outside Texas, and even many within the state who reside outside the Metroplex, do not know how close together Dallas and Fort Worth are.  It’s only about a half hour drive from downtown Dallas to downtown Fort Worth.  As such, our local Traditional Latin Mass community shares a lot of people between the two cities.  And, the priests of our FSSP parish provide a TLM in the Fort Worth Diocese on Sundays.  Some priests from our parish have taught classes at Fisher-More.

    But they have stopped doing so.  In fact, many long-time faculty have left Fisher-More.  This is not solely related to their financial woes.  In fact, it has to do with really severe problems with the college’s administration, and in particular, the college president Michael King referenced.

    I know many exceedingly good traditional Catholic families who have (or, I should stress, had) children at Fisher-More.  I know some folks who have taught there. I know some who are still employed there.  All are unfailingly stalwart supporters of the great Tradition of our Faith and all recognize the hideous crisis now afflicting the Church.  But many – most – have increasingly grave concerns regarding Fisher-More and especially the direction Michael King is taking the college.  Well-known traditional Catholic academic Taylor Marshall left Fisher-More last summer over these same concerns.

    These concerns center on Mr. King taking an increasingly severe stand regarding the Council and the changes that have occurred in the Church in the past 50 years.  I am not privy to all the details – perhaps some of those who are could chime in – but the level of excoriation for the Church and Her leaders has reached a state that even many good, traditional Catholics are scandalized by the rhetoric.   And, from what I have been told by many, no dissent from Mr. King’s “direction” is tolerated. Those that voice doubts or express concerns are dismissed, virtually on the spot.  This applies to both faculty and staff. As such, the college has lost many longtime faculty and administrators and even the college’s founder has been sidelined. Again, I have had all this confirmed to me by numerous sources.  Many students – very solid, traditional Catholic students – have left the university as it seems to be heading towards such extremism the students fear scandal if they continue their studies.

    In addition, many parents feel that they are being told one story by the administration (Mr. King), but that the reality is something quite different.  Many parents feel misled.

    I’m not saying Bishop Olson’s solution is fully appropriate or justifiable.  It seems severe.  And naturally, it was aimed at the TLM. If this was absolutely necessary and the ONLY way Bishop Olson thought he could solve the problems at Fisher-More, he should have explained why his action in that regard was uniquely necessary. He should also explained under what authority he, as a bishop, managed to undo a papal act liberalizing the availability of the TLM.  Bishop Olson has now caused some degree of scandal among the faithful, who feel their rights trampled upon.

    After Bishop Vann departed, the vicar general of Fort Worth had already restricted the TLM at Fisher-More.  It could be Bishop Olson followed the recommendations of his staff, some of which probably aren’t too fond of having a traditional Catholic college in their diocese.  And even if this act is intended to be some charitable attempt to recall a wayward sheep, it does seem harsh and uncharitable towards students and others at Fisher-More who have come to depend upon the TLM.  Fisher-More was an attempt to build a traditional Catholic college, but without the TLM either on campus or immєdιαtely available on a daily basis, it would seem one of the prime reasons for the college’s existence was just wiped out.  Close as Dallas and Fort Worth are, asking college students to drive 60 miles round trip every day to assist at the TLM in Irving is a bit much.

    I also think it was an unfortunately clumsy statement – a truly foolhardy statement – to associate removal of the TLM with “the good of your own soul.”  I think folks are reading a connection there that may not be intended, but it’s too easily made by this very brief, very unspecific document.

    Nevertheless, there has been growing concern locally both over King’s draconian style of administration and his seeming desire to make Fisher-More an informal (or formal, who knows?) appendage of the Society of St. Pius X.  That may not be King’s intent, but it is the impression many have.  In addition, I am told that even though they managed to stay open this spring, Fisher-More’s finances are a wreck and the college is living on borrowed time. These issues may seem unrelated, but they are not. In fact, they are tightly intertwined.  That’s all I’ll say about that.

    So, make up your own mind.  Hopefully we’ll get some more details in the comments from those close to Fisher-More.


     

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