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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #190 on: January 25, 2022, 10:52:29 AM »
For those on this blog who have stated that they don’t believe that Daniel Dolan was ordained with one hand (or who doubt that it happened), let me refer you to the following link (click here), where it says “September 1990 letter.”  This letter is one that nine of Dolan’s colleagues (who were ordained with him -- including Donald Sanborn) wrote to him, urging him to get conditionally re-ordained (with two hands).  So, the question I put to you is this: if Dolan was not ordained with one hand, then why did those nine men bother to write this letter to him? 

I agree that the fact is fairly well established.

Offline Emile

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« Reply #191 on: January 25, 2022, 12:01:13 PM »
Emile, I hesitated to to reply to your post (# 205), in which you gave as “proof” of the validity of one-handed ordinations an assertion made by “Lightfoot” back in 2011 – and that the issue of one-handed ordinations was now “settled.”  I hesitated because I wanted to see if you would check the Pistrina link (that I provided) that definitively shows that the issue has not been settled (and that Anthony Cekada’s pathetic “defense” of one-handed ordinations is demonstrably flawed).  (The Pistrina article, in fact, totally demolishes Cekada’s arguments.)  I thought that, just maybe, you might genuinely seek the truth by simply clicking on that link – but you didn’t even bother.  Instead, you chose to resurrect some old post from 2011 (by someone called “Lightfoot”) that proves absolutely nothing.  That is the problem with you and some other “armchair theologians” on this website: you simply IGNORE the truth, and instead serve up groundless assertions over and over again.  This is the last refuge of the ignorant: to ignore truth because one does not have the knowledge base to challenge it – and then substitute pointless verbiage as “proof” – or, even worse, go the “ad hominem” route and attack the Pistrina article’s author for referring to Cekada’s gross mistranslations as “minor errors.”  So, if you choose to respond, respond with proven facts, not rehashed nonsense.
If you would like the people on CI to read what you have to say why do you not post it here? Your links go to scribd, either directly or via Pistrina, and I am not interested in having an account with them.


Offline Cryptinox

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« Reply #192 on: January 25, 2022, 12:08:42 PM »
If you would like the people on CI to read what you have to say why do you not post it here? Your links go to scribd, either directly or via Pistrina, and I am not interested in having an account with them.
I have a PDF of that article somewhere on my phone or in an email so I could get it later 

Offline Emile

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« Reply #193 on: January 25, 2022, 12:48:10 PM »
Emile, I hesitated to to reply to your post (# 205), in which you gave as “proof” of the validity of one-handed ordinations an assertion made by “Lightfoot” back in 2011 – and that the issue of one-handed ordinations was now “settled.”  I hesitated because I wanted to see if you would check the Pistrina link (that I provided) that definitively shows that the issue has not been settled (and that Anthony Cekada’s pathetic “defense” of one-handed ordinations is demonstrably flawed).  (The Pistrina article, in fact, totally demolishes Cekada’s arguments.)  I thought that, just maybe, you might genuinely seek the truth by simply clicking on that link – but you didn’t even bother.  Instead, you chose to resurrect some old post from 2011 (by someone called “Lightfoot”) that proves absolutely nothing.  That is the problem with you and some other “armchair theologians” on this website: you simply IGNORE the truth, and instead serve up groundless assertions over and over again.  This is the last refuge of the ignorant: to ignore truth because one does not have the knowledge base to challenge it – and then substitute pointless verbiage as “proof” – or, even worse, go the “ad hominem” route and attack the Pistrina article’s author for referring to Cekada’s gross mistranslations as “minor errors.”  So, if you choose to respond, respond with proven facts, not rehashed nonsense.
Sorry, I was interrupted and the time window for editing ran out.

I quoted the old post not as definitive proof of the validity of one-handed ordination but rather as proof of the fact that this is an old and ongoing debate. Thus the "Definitely nothing new under the sun...".

I am willing to consider your arguments against validity but what actually interests me more is the undisguised, and seemingly undying, animosity toward +Dolan that is to be found in the writings of the author(s) of Pistrina. If you would like to share the root of this I, for one, am willing to listen.

One thought that I would leave you with: based on study, but more on so real-life experience, remember that NO ONE and NO THING is worth going to Hell for. Be free of the snare of Vengeance, God will set things right in the end.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #194 on: January 25, 2022, 02:29:51 PM »
BTW, in case people haven't noticed, Giacomo = Boca