Author Topic: Working for Protestants (Read 13009 times)

s2srea · « **Reply #25 on:** August 16, 2011, 10:37:15 PM »

I'm getting Hobble's input.

LordPhan · « **Reply #26 on:** August 16, 2011, 10:50:22 PM »

I actually see 3 issues. 1. You're making money and performing a servile service on the Lord's Day. 2. You are inside a 'church' that displeases God on the Lord's Day. 3. You are assisting them in their crime of Cain on the Lord's Day.

But you seem to have made up your mind.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #27 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:46:17 AM »

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I'm getting Hobble's input.

Oh there you go again, bringing in that Hobble-whatever guy! :wink:

I shall submit a response after I consult my library regarding the matters discussed in this thread. A serious inquiry was made, and I find it improper for me to post an informal reply when I have the resources to cite authors and texts in order to formulate a more serious response.

Perhaps I shall take some theological tomes with me at work to read during my lunch break and take notes.

Moral theology and casuistry are such fun! :reading:

Well at least more fun than grouting...

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #28 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:18:47 AM »

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Now, is that really a fair statement to make? What would happen if there was no organist at a SSPX chapel? Choirs and organists are luxuries. Especially organists - if I didn't play, someone else would play the piano or maybe they could find another organist. My presence or absence is not affecting their service in any way except aesthetically.

There is some error in your reasoning there. "If I didn't play, someone else would". Well, let them. Let that church hire a Protestant to play the organ. But to do it and say someone else would if it wasn't you does not support your case.

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You wouldn't be! How does being inside a Protestant church on Sunday make me anymore Protestant? How would it make you? When asked why I don't participate in their sliced bread eating and grape juice drinking - I say plainly, I'm a Catholic. I'm not a member of this church. I'm just here to play the organ. No one questions it. This is not the 17th century. There aren't any extra-musical requirements to be an organist for most churches. Musicians know that. The people in the congregation know that.

I never said it makes you Protestant, but you're supplying them the music they need to sing their heretical songs at their heretical services. Tele and LP have already agreed with me that you're participating in heretical worship even without literally being a Protestant. Just because you aren't one does not mean you cannot in-directly participate in it by playing the organ.

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One minute I'm the reserved organist that hides behind the organ for the entire service only to slip out unnoticed immediately after receiving pay and the next you are comparing me to the pope who did _______ in front of the entire world? Assisting would be like being a Protestant altar boy or doing their readings, or "testifying", etc. Sitting passively behind an organ console is not.

You seem to have a serious paranoia of "scandal". I've been to a Buddhist funeral before. Since I didn't have a big sign on my shirt saying "I'm a Catholic passively attending this blasphemous ritual" is that scandal for someone to see me and assume that I'm a Buddhist?

I'm not trying to pick fights. But as previously stated, the information given by some members regarding this topic may be incorrect in some circuмstances and may be the cause of scruples for readers.

I didn't compare you to JPII, I used him as an example of participating in false worship even without literally believing in what they believe. No, what I say is not the cause of scruples, you need to grasp a clear understanding of what that is. If you have musical talents with the organ, then great. But why not use it to assist Catholics rather than heretics who reject the Church of Christ?

Daegus · « **Reply #29 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:45:40 AM »

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This is exactly what I do:

early morning, attend FSSP low mass.
late morning drive to protestant church - play the organ (a few hymns before the service, 3 hymns during, and an improvised interlude). This is paid job.
afternoon - temporarily filling in for injured organist at another church. 3 hymns.

There are other jobs you can do for pay, and by doing this job you're obviously attending a Protestant service. You did say yourself that you play hymns during their service. This wouldn't be possible if you weren't attending their service, even if you don't concede to any of their heresies. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that doing so is wrong.

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Depends. Some of the hymns are Catholic (i.e., Holy God we praise Thy Name, All Creatures of our God & King) - some are written by Protestants but are used by Catholic churches, others are just plain American "revivalist" songs that hardly pass for music.

Even if there are Catholic hymns being sung, you're still attending a Protestant service and contributing to the propagation and maintenance of a false religion by doing so.

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Does this reasoning imply that we are not to play Mozart, or Bach, or Handel, or ____, etc? Hard to justify when they are playing Beethoven in SSPX seminary.

The difference between attending a Protestant service that has everything to do with Protestantism and listening to a musician play a piece that may or may not even have anything to do with religion whatsoever is like the difference between night and day.

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I'm not worshiping with Protestants or using their "Protestant music" to worship.

But you are attending a Protestant service, which, as I've intimated before, is completely unacceptable. You have no way to get around this.

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By the way what is meant by that anyhow, since many hymn tunes are used in Catholic churches by are secular or Protestant in origin. Among these, is the beautiful Holy Week hymn O Sacred Head now Wounded, which is of 16th century secular origin.

As I've said before, there is no excuse.

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Like i've said: its a job!

There's more than 1 job out there that doesn't involve attending the worship services of heretics.

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Please show how is participating in heresy. I can't catch heresy from just sitting in a Protestant church.

Why do you even need an example? Is the mere fact that you're contributing to the worship service of heretics not enough? You may not be "catching heresy" by being there but you certainly are giving your tacit approval of it by choosing to sit there and contributing to their service by playing music for them.

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Plus some organist get $200 *cash* for 1 hr. I don't get paid nearly that much, but anywhere from $25 to $50 in cash (no taxes) for 1 hr and practically no physical exertion...is hard to find elsewhere.

Even if you were paid $1 million per second of your time, it is inexcusable for you to attend the worship services of heretics or to contribute to it in any way.

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True but there are degrees to this. What type of defense you give is depend on what station you are in.

You are not in a situation to give any valid defense of your actions whatsoever, and you have not shown yourself to be in such a situation.